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Old 04-27-2008, 11:30 PM
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the so called emotional feeling are a social construct many societies and even people within our own society do not adopt. i think it is an immature judeo-christian perspective that kids would be incapable of coping with sex. the truth is , most parents would struggle to cope, not the kids. when i was a little kid, i had many sexual encounters, not outright sex, but making out, playing with girls vaginas, etc. its very natural. ill show you mine if you show me yours
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:30 AM
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the so called emotional feeling are a social construct many societies and even people within our own society do not adopt. i think it is an immature judeo-christian perspective that kids would be incapable of coping with sex. the truth is , most parents would struggle to cope, not the kids. when i was a little kid, i had many sexual encounters, not outright sex, but making out, playing with girls vaginas, etc. its very natural. ill show you mine if you show me yours
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thats not true. its a religious construct that people can't control and seperate feelings.
its a scientific fact that hormones and emotional centers of the brain react during sexual activity. and its a fact that child lack the abilties to sort out all of their emotions and the consequences fo their actions. the impulse centers of the brain do not mature until early adulthood (early to mid 20s)

exploration is natural. as is curiosity. but it can be wise to instuct children to not play games such as that and to simply explain things to them so they don't have to 'play' with their friends.
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thats not true. its a religious construct that people can't control and seperate feelings.
its a scientific fact that hormones and emotional centers of the brain react during sexual activity. and its a fact that child lack the abilties to sort out all of their emotions and the consequences fo their actions. the impulse centers of the brain do not mature until early adulthood (early to mid 20s)

exploration is natural. as is curiosity. but it can be wise to instuct children to not play games such as that and to simply explain things to them so they don't have to 'play' with their friends.
It isn't a religious construct that people can't control their emotions. Nor is there any science behind your claim about anything even remotely close to there being an "emotional center" of the brain. As for the "consequences", please enlighten me as to what they could possibly be?
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:54 PM
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It isn't a religious construct that people can't control their emotions. Nor is there any science behind your claim about anything even remotely close to there being an "emotional center" of the brain. As for the "consequences", please enlighten me as to what they could possibly be?
the frontal lobes often deal with meotions, as does the amygdala (located up front in the brain as well.... if we don't process emotions in areas of the brain where do you think they come from? our feet?)

its religions that claim that sex is emotional and you loose parts of your self during sex. I've heard the rhetoric. I've been to churches and I go to a religious school.

the consequences include:
stds

pregnancy (obviously not until puberty but its hard to judge when things occur. were a male to produce sperm before he was aware he was doing so and were a girl to sleep with him before her first period, they could easily concieve a child. I trust I don't have to explain that there are physical and mental isseus with this potential consequence do I?)

I believe I mentioned that the impulse centers of the brain are not controlled.

children might also loose the emotional aspect of sex
(its one thing to control and another to not be able to experience it granted this doesn't occur in all cases and can be corrected in many)

while teaching children that sex is normal doesn't harm them, allowing them to engage before they are mature enough to understand all the aspects of it and to allow it to be treated so blaise is harmful.

there have been cases of kids who have sex and young ages and suffer damge after it (River Pheonix being the most famous)

do I really have to keep explaining why children shouldn't have sex?
is this really something we must debate?
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:54 PM
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The sin of uncontroled sex at any age is pregnancy. the biological act within some primitave societies before puberty has been going on and still goes on today. For those primitave societies there seems to have been no plychological damage to the children. The Tabo then startswhen the female is capable of conseption.

The biological harm that can come with too early sex is basically between an adult and a child, or a female getting pregnant before her body is capable of withstanding the biological process of gestation and birth.

Nature existed long before mankind changed from primative to a more modern society with it's need for social rules that protect uncontroled predatory coetus.

Our socal cultures today have people so constricted in area that society would destroy itself without strong controling structures for the protection of the weaker individuals. Without that protection chaos would disallow the very existance of society as we know it.

The need to be able to nuture any child is dependent upon there being the ability to support the needs of said child and protect it and the family in this no so primative world of today.
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the frontal lobes often deal with meotions, as does the amygdala (located up front in the brain as well.... if we don't process emotions in areas of the brain where do you think they come from? our feet?)
What you actually think the highly idiosyncratic way we talk about things naturally ended up actually relating to the brain? You think just because you see the brain act a certain way under certain stimuli it is a gross miscalculation to attribute "emotion" which is only a arbitrary contingent concept.

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the consequences include:
stds

pregnancy (obviously not until puberty but its hard to judge when things occur. were a male to produce sperm before he was aware he was doing so and were a girl to sleep with him before her first period, they could easily concieve a child. I trust I don't have to explain that there are physical and mental isseus with this potential consequence do I?)
Sure, but those are no more a potential consequence with children than adults.
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while teaching children that sex is normal doesn't harm them, allowing them to engage before they are mature enough to understand all the aspects of it and to allow it to be treated so blaise is harmful.

there have been cases of kids who have sex and young ages and suffer damge after it (River Pheonix being the most famous)

do I really have to keep explaining why children shouldn't have sex?
is this really something we must debate?[/QUOTE]
its a good topic, you dont think?
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:35 PM
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What you actually think the highly idiosyncratic way we talk about things naturally ended up actually relating to the brain? You think just because you see the brain act a certain way under certain stimuli it is a gross miscalculation to attribute "emotion" which is only a arbitrary contingent concept.
most people would agree emotions exist. what are we then? what are our lives? just random firings in our synapses?
I will say emotions are complex and there is no formula for everything that we feel and experience- some correlations and indicators, but nothing concrete.


Sure, but those are no more a potential consequence with children than adults.
adults bodies can handle a pregnancy.
adults can raise children. adults can decide if they want to abort. adults can process the consequences of their actions. adults are more apt to handle any 'emotions' or 'brain activity' that results from those consequences


its a good topic, you dont think?
no I don't
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Anyways...back onto the topic of abortion rather than this entirely misconstrude version of morality...


What all of the debates of abortion always come down to is, when does the child come into existance as a human being. Because, any abortion after this point would be considered murder, The premature termination of a human life by another human...

I say it is at conception, and thus any abortion should be considered murder. Yes, even including that of rape or incest. The only event in which an abortion should take place, is if the doctor deems the birth to be fatal to the mother.

Anyone object?
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Anyways...back onto the topic of abortion rather than this entirely misconstrude version of morality...


What all of the debates of abortion always come down to is, when does the child come into existance as a human being. Because, any abortion after this point would be considered murder, The premature termination of a human life by another human...

I say it is at conception, and thus any abortion should be considered murder. Yes, even including that of rape or incest. The only event in which an abortion should take place, is if the doctor deems the birth to be fatal to the mother.

Anyone object?
I say it is once the fetus can think, feel, and has conscious awareness. we'll estimate this at week 14.
I would make allowances for health reason because its not right that one person should be forced to die for another (or even be endangered for another) and I can't judge someone not wanting to bring a sick child into this world. its cruel.

incest falls under the cruel headline. that child could suffer both physical issues, as well as psychological problems dragging along that stigma for life. (obviously the birth defects are the worst because they can't always be treated)

and no raped woman should ever have her rape extended for 9 months. thats reprehensible.

abortion should always be safe and legal and rare. currently its not very rare.
its never an easy choice, but sometimes its the best option.
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