I agree with you on that, I know some fully gestated people I wouldn't call human. :lmao

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What else do you suppose the offspring of two human beings could be?

I will grant you that it isn't universally agreed. What a living thing is, however, is a matter of science. If there is a dispute among scientists as to when a human being becomes a human being, there should be ample writing from both sides of the argument. On issues like climate change, for example, any amount of credible science can be provided by both sides in support of their position.

If you don't mind, could you bring a bit of credible science here that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being?

Those who deny that we are human beings from the time we are concieved are denying reality. You don't "change" into something you weren't as you mature, you simply grow and age and become a more mature version of the same creature you have been since the time you came into existence.

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Laughs! Yeah, me too.

It's a really emotional debate by nature. I personally don't know when a fetus truly becomes human. I stay out of these debates usually.

Got mislead by the title, didn't look at the category!

Damn, got tricked!

Which part of this strikes you as particularly emotional?

"Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new human being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition." E.L. Potter and J.M. Craig, PATHOLOGY OF THE FETUS AND THE INFANT, 3d ed. (Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers)

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

I suppose that would all be related to the nature of when it could survive on its own.

but nope. Couldn't provide you that. I personally don't believe it is at conception. I understand a human fetus will never develop to be a different species, that's a diversion. We were discussing when a fetus becomes a human. They are not one and the same thing. One will of necesity become the other, but that is a different subject.

Is a pumpkin seed a pumpkin?

Yes. If you have an education in the biological sciences, then you know beyond doubt that a pumpkin seed is a pumpkin. Rather than go into a long explanation, let me provide a picture. It is of a disected and stained wheat seed, but all seeds are essentially the same in structure.



As you can see, there is a plant inside that shell. It is immature but there are leaves, root and stem present already. So yes, a pumpkin seed is already a pumpkin. Immature, but a pumpkin plant none the less.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

LOL, me too, got my interest at first until it evolved into another 'reality.'

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If that were true, at what age do we become self sustaining? I am in my 60's and still am not capable of photosynthesis or anything that even resembles being self sustaining. Newborns certainly can't survive on thier own. Are they not human beings?

Of course not, becuause it doesn't exist. And favoring the story you tell yourself (your opinion) in favor of the scientific reality, is exactly what this thread is about. Why would you favor a story you tell yourself over scientific fact? Exactly what is to be gained by that?

Explain what change happened in your essential nature by which you "became" a human being. You are certainly the same creature you were at the time you were concieved. You have matured and grown, but what were you before you "became" a human being? What change came over you?

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Well, pale, like I said. I don't know when a human fetus becomes a human being...

Laughs! I just read this!

Too funny! A small collection of cells is the same thing as a being that can use a keyboard to post on the internet?

That's a REAL stretch pal. Sounds like you understand basic biology.
So I'm guessing I don't need to explain GESTATION