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04-21-2008, 05:59 PM
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With regard to what happens when human sperm meets and fertilizes a human egg, the result is a living human being, no matter what stage of development. Medical fact is the reality in this case and no matter how you twist and turn, you are left with either accepting the facts, or providing a story that you prefer.
What is alive, and what species it is depends entirely on scientific fact. What value it has and whether or not it is OK to kill it, is not a matter of science. You seem not to be able to understand that.
What gets you is that if you accept the reality that unborns are living human beings, then you will find that you can't so readily support abortion on demand so in order to maintain your position, you deny reality in favor of the story you prefer.
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I'm not talking about abortion only, I'm talking about everyones daily lives.. What part of that can't you understand?
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04-21-2008, 06:00 PM
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Well, the struggle to define one's own reality lives in each one of us, doesn't it?
Let me ask you this, if a psychiatrist were to tell the local police you were delusional and even a harm to yourself and let's throw in others for good measure, what kind of reality do you think you would be living then?
I think I'm on my 14th post.
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I'd have the reality of proving myself sane...
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04-21-2008, 06:01 PM
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Oh, I understand a little more clearly now.
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No, I don't think you do but keep tuned in... 
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04-21-2008, 06:04 PM
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I'd have the reality of proving myself sane...
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No, I don't think you do but keep tuned in... |
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04-21-2008, 06:07 PM
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I'm not talking about abortion only, I'm talking about everyones daily lives.. What part of that can't you understand?
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You put this under the abortion heading and it has come about due to your misunderstanding of suburbanite's discussion of the "you create your own reality" new age religion, which was also about abortion.
Things are what they are lexi. Suburbanite tried to say that black could be made into something other than black. The fact is, however, that the condition we describe as black, that is a condition or color which has no hue or brightness and reflects no spectral colors exists. Other cultures have called this condition or color different terms and no matter what it has been called, it has remained the same. The word used to describe a thing has no effect on the thing itself. If you could get the entire world to begin calling black "tape measure" the condition or color which has no hue or brightness and reflects no specrtal color would remain the same. The only change would be the word used to identify it.
Calling an unborn human being something other than a human being will not change what it actually is. They are what they are. Denying the reality does not change it. If you can convince enough people that it is something other than a living human being, you can certainly create the feeling that killing it is OK, but the fact that people have been convinced that they are not killing living human beings doesn't change the fact that abortion is killing a living human being.
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04-21-2008, 06:18 PM
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Reality is one of those weird concepts, everybody thinks they have one. :LOL
And now I have another post down toward my 15.
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Laughs! good posts...but yep, there are several defnitions for reality in my dictionary: State, quality, or fact of being real ...(Webster's) with other definitions as well.
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Some people call abortion killing while others call it pregnancy termination. I'm sure it has some other names, all just a struggle for the power to define.
What I find interesting is the people who generally call abortion killing also call the death penalty justice and war a declaration for democratic liberation.
Strange the things people call some things.
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04-21-2008, 06:20 PM
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Laughs! good posts...but yep, there are several defnitions for reality in my dictionary: State, quality, or fact of being real ...(Webster's) with other definitions as well.
I think perhaps the wiki entry was focused on the philosophical concept...
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I'm with you, Crazy Yankee, here's the link now that I can post one. :LOL
Reality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's pretty thorough.
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04-21-2008, 06:22 PM
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Well, it's not universally agreed upon when a human becomes a human.
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04-21-2008, 06:23 PM
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What I find interesting is the people who generally call abortion killing also call the death penalty justice and war a declaration for democratic liberation.
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The people who support the death penalty are not, however, denying that a human being is being killed. Not a very good analogy.
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