I would call them fools too.

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and you call yourself an agnostic. claiming to "know" a "truth" which is by its very definition unknowable. might as well be talking about god. also, it is ridiculous to think in any way a belief in a supernatural phenomenon called "reality" helps scientific inquiry. I've never heard a scientist once attribute his break through to reality. "Thank god for reality, or should i say thank reality for god?"
you're like a mummy being unraveled, but i'm getting suspicious i'll ever find a single bit of consistency behind your ramblings, just more and more paper. the further our conversations go, the more contradictions arise.
Now, unable of course to once again key into and compete against any of my main arguments, have thrown in non-sequiturs and false dilemmas to distract from my very eloquently described point.

it is actually you who has taken my argument too far, blowing it wildly out of proportion so you can compete against the most radical aspects of my claims. If you could even take the time to break down some of my arguments directly as I phrased them instead of purposefully mis-summarizing my points you'd see how realistic (intended) my metaphor for existence really is, how much more helpful a perspective it can be, over your rigid, ridiculous, fantasy of an interpretation of existence that to anyone outside of the context of our culture would find highly peculiar and idiosyncratic.

failed, for the hundred time. let me explain, base all further discussion strictly on what I say right now. in order to comprehend the atom, we had to reinterpret our understanding of the world around us, as you would call it "reality". We had to invent new words, which means assigning random sounds and select meanings to objects. And when we finally came to comprehend the atom, it was the smallest unit of matter, but we realized it was a more accurate definition to instead NOT understand it as the smallest unit of matter. So we changed our understanding. See, what I am talking about is not magic, now have a I once made any claim as to it. You're confused. When I say there is no reality, you instantly think of peter pan. Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts. No one is saying any of the kind, the process isn't wishful thinking, its a challenge. To reinterpret something could take a life time of effort. Sometimes one must redescribe events to overcome them. In the case of abortion, one must not see the aborted fetus in order to come to grips with having killed it. You're saying, somewhere hidden in the fetus, is some ultimate truth (written in english?) about what the fetus "REALLY REALLY" is. Give me a fucking break! What a fantastical leap of faith is required to make the assumption that existing, somehow, outside of circumstance are these unchanging dictionary entries, floating in heaven I assume.

You're so far behind in your thinking, just to give you an idea, this is the same shit Plato said. You realize how long ago this shit was? if you only have the academic foresight to inquire into more philosopher you'd realize you brought a knife to a gun fight in this argument.

i know we all look for for another option, but honestly, to ask what is reality? sounds to me like you need a reality check.

it isn't a question, and as for the check, try picking it up once in awhile.

The question was what does reality mean to YOU...

One reality check coming up for rotor girl....

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Hey Suburbanite. Why don't you just call Tak up and ask him out on a date?

Actually, Plato did a much better job.

What are we changing or understanding of?