Houston girl flushes baby down toilet

wvpeach · #11 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 05:50 PM

Oh, my,

People read the two links ocean breeze posted..................they are different cases in different places.

Ocean breeze in her delusions is mixing the two.

kgpoolerev · #12 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexi

so which is worse, having an abortion in the first trimester or having something like this happen to a live newborn?

You are trying to say this happened because she could not have an abortion?

Bullshit. She could have had an abortion.

Last why should we be limited to two options. Why not add adoption to the mix. Better yet, why not focus on getting children to not have sex.

Lexi · #13 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

You are trying to say this happened because she could not have an abortion?

Bullshit. She could have had an abortion.

Last why should we be limited to two options. Why not add adoption to the mix. Better yet, why not focus on getting children to not have sex.

That is bullshit, yours.. I never said it happened because she couldn't have an abortion. I see you haven't learned to read very well yet.

Well why the hell not...

ricechickie · #14 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

You are trying to say this happened because she could not have an abortion?

Bullshit. She could have had an abortion.

Last why should we be limited to two options. Why not add adoption to the mix. Better yet, why not focus on getting children to not have sex.

Is this 14 year-old girl one of those "women" you have such confidence in? You know, that confidence that they can deal with the consequences of their actions????

This kid probably should have had an abortion. She probably didn't have a person in the world she felt she could talk to, and therefore just let the pregnancy go to term. And while I respect the adoption option, does that really sound like a viable option in this story? The girl didn't even have the sense of morality to own up to giving birth and try to do the right thing from THERE. She might have been one of those kids whose parents threatened all kinds of "consequences" for having sex, in an effort to get her to not do it. Instead, she did it and had nowhere to turn once pregnant, fearing reprisal.

oceanbreeze · #15 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Is this 14 year-old girl one of those "women" you have such confidence in? You know, that confidence that they can deal with the consequences of their actions????

This kid probably should have had an abortion. She probably didn't have a person in the world she felt she could talk to, and therefore just let the pregnancy go to term. And while I respect the adoption option, does that really sound like a viable option in this story? The girl didn't even have the sense of morality to own up to giving birth and try to do the right thing from THERE. She might have been one of those kids whose parents threatened all kinds of "consequences" for having sex, in an effort to get her to not do it. Instead, she did it and had nowhere to turn once pregnant, fearing reprisal.

I forget what it's called, but it has something to do with leaving a newborn baby at a hosptial, police state, ect, with no questions asked?

ricechickie · #16 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

I forget what it's called, but it has something to do with leaving a newborn baby at a hosptial, police state, ect, with no questions asked?

Yes, there is that. But not every pregnant girl knows about that program, or is resourceful enough to figure out her options on her own. I'm just saying that a young, pregnant girl needs someone to help her navigate options.

To me, it's not as much an "abstinence vs. sex ed" issue, but a communication issue between kids and parents.

oceanbreeze · #17 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Yes, there is that. But not every pregnant girl knows about that program, or is resourceful enough to figure out her options on her own. I'm just saying that a young, pregnant girl needs someone to help her navigate options.

To me, it's not as much an "abstinence vs. sex ed" issue, but a communication issue between kids and parents.

I agree. Also, if a child can't confide in their parents then they need to find another role model/adult they can confide in. Maybe it's because our kids are still young, 10 and 12, but they tell us everything. I want to say "yawn" about some of the catty girl fights, but I don't because I want them to know we will listen to them, regardless. Is getting pregnant at 14 the end of the world? No. But, it does change her world.

When I was in high school a friend had a baby, our junior year, we were 16. I can't imagine having a 24 year old "child" at the age of 40. But, it's life.

wolf_22 · #18 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

Strange, she could have gone to her parents and legally had an abortion. She did not. One of the reasons given as to why abortion should be legal is just this sort of thing. Thus bebunking another common reason given for the 'need' for abortions.

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

You are trying to say this happened because she could not have an abortion?

Bullshit. She could have had an abortion.

Last why should we be limited to two options. Why not add adoption to the mix. Better yet, why not focus on getting children to not have sex.

obviously the option of going to her parents didn't exists in this case- or she would have.

adoption isn't right for everyone. but this isn't a normal case of teen pregnancy.

how about we act like rational adults and realize kids will have sex- or have oral and anal intercourse instead- and they need proper education, birth control, and someone to confide in.

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Is this 14 year-old girl one of those "women" you have such confidence in? You know, that confidence that they can deal with the consequences of their actions????

This kid probably should have had an abortion. She probably didn't have a person in the world she felt she could talk to, and therefore just let the pregnancy go to term. And while I respect the adoption option, does that really sound like a viable option in this story? The girl didn't even have the sense of morality to own up to giving birth and try to do the right thing from THERE. She might have been one of those kids whose parents threatened all kinds of "consequences" for having sex, in an effort to get her to not do it. Instead, she did it and had nowhere to turn once pregnant, fearing reprisal.

she might have had a dissoative disorder.
there are cases of women blocking out pregnancy. some even countinue with menstration during their pregnancies because their bodies are fooled by their delusions. once they go into labor the delusion begins to end.

oceanbreeze · #19 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

obviously the option of going to her parents didn't exists in this case- or she would have.

adoption isn't right for everyone. but this isn't a normal case of teen pregnancy.

how about we act like rational adults and realize kids will have sex- or have oral and anal intercourse instead- and they need proper education, birth control, and someone to confide in.

she might have had a dissoative disorder.
there are cases of women blocking out pregnancy. some even countinue with menstration during their pregnancies because their bodies are fooled by their delusions. once they go into labor the delusion begins to end.

You know, people don't have sex 24/7. Why do you always talk about sex?
Yes, she had sex to get pregnant, but why didn't she turn to someone. FOCUS ON THAT.

kgpoolerev · #20 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Is this 14 year-old girl one of those "women" you have such confidence in? You know, that confidence that they can deal with the consequences of their actions????

This kid probably should have had an abortion. She probably didn't have a person in the world she felt she could talk to, and therefore just let the pregnancy go to term. And while I respect the adoption option, does that really sound like a viable option in this story? The girl didn't even have the sense of morality to own up to giving birth and try to do the right thing from THERE. She might have been one of those kids whose parents threatened all kinds of "consequences" for having sex, in an effort to get her to not do it. Instead, she did it and had nowhere to turn once pregnant, fearing reprisal.

Parents, teachers, guidance councilors, principles, and even friends. I am sure there were people she could have talked with had she wanted to do so.

Abortion was supposed to be a cure all that stopped all women and girls from doing what she did. Clearly rather abortion is legal or illegal there are sick individuals who will do stupid and criminal things.