excellent post wolf.

I would add to your education about birth control to reduce abortions the following.

Be prepared to provide day care at no cost while educating the mother also at no cost to her for a job .

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Forget it sachem

Palerider denies humans have souls. His denial of this fact shows me that he himself is not in touch with his soul. People like that have no respect for others. He has to be mentally ill to be worried about abortions while maintaining people have no souls and that God does not matter when it comes to abortions.

Talking to palerider and his ilk is a waste of time.

All these war mongers who cheered as bombs dropped on babies in iraq have to be mentally ill to be on here ranting about abortions.

I just stop in these threads to keep them in line where the bible is concerned.

Just the other day they were making up bible scriptures.

" The bible as written by Bluedog" I guess we could call it.

In the interest of not having the bible slandered I will check these threads once in awhile. And when they post crap they make up I will post the actual scriptures.

But as for palerider anybody that denies the human soul is what sets us apart from animals and them turns around and says animals have no right to live as palerider did is not working with a full deck.

Just so you know FYI.

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Dependence is not a valid reason to kill.

Do you beleive that you have the right to kill anyone under your physical control or anyone that can possibly harm your body? And the fact is that it isn't part of you. I have invited you to provide some credible science that states that it is part of you and cleary, you can't. We both know that you can't, because it doesn't exist.

Are you saying that you own it?

[quote=sachem;361404]I don't need 'credible sources' to prove that. [/qote]

You do if you want to be credible. Of course, credibliity has never been high on the list of pro choicer's priorities.

Justice Blackmun in his majority decision on Roe stated:

"If the suggestion of personhood is established, the case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the 14th Amendment."

The suggestion of personhood has been established. I couldn't say if it was the court's intention to establish it, but it has been established none the less. The new conservative supreme court is well aware of this. If unborns are recognized as persons and given the protection of the 14th amendment, the only valid reason for abortion would be if the mother's life or long term health is in danger.


There is no right to privacy mentioned in the constitution. There is an implied right to privacy but an explicit right to live outweighs and implied right to privacy. Further, your right to privacy doesn't allow you to kill in order to maintain your privacy. No right you care to claim outweighs the right to live.


No law prevents people from doing what it restricts. It only provides a means by which to punish those who go ahead and do it anyway.

Personally, I don't care what you do or who you do it with. I have no desire to control you in any way except to forbid you from killing another living human being because you are going to be inconvenienced if you can't.

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What anyone thinks about war is irrelavent to whether or not abortion kills a living human being. One has nothing to do with another. Logical fallacy is not a valid substitute for a rational argument.

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PaleRider. Slice and dice it any way you like.Use whatever words you like. Own, part of, seperate etc., the fetus is mine. Abortion is legal. When and if that changes, abortions will still occur and I believe with very little legal consequences for the woman or the one who performs it. There is always the advance of medicine and the hope for more 'morning after' type pills. Some that will do what now requires an invasive medical procedure. I'm not worried. That control will slip from male fingers.

not everyone feels the way you do.
many do not feel a fetus is alive. many also feel that abortion is the best option in some cases. even those who view a fetus as alive may experience a point in their lives where they stress over the option of aborting and some do abort despite prior beliefs.
this matter is not simple and its either foolish, ignorant, or just plain rude to assume it is.

that could be one way to p[rotect pregnant women.
I didn't read the whole article (I'm lazy sometimes ) but they just released some new stats about how often and in what ways many pregnant women are facing discrimination and disadvantages.

So what you are saying is that you can't actually defend your position. You are making the argument that abortion is ok and constitutional because you say that it is ok and constitutional.

Typical.

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The right things is often not simple wolf. As far as foolish , ignorant and rude well many don't feel that way either. The only complication is the man made complicated. The only reason people don't feel things are wrong is well because then they would have to feel guilty about their actions. And well now the better part of the last 20 or more years society has been working on eliviating us from feeling guilty or responsable. Oh I believe they call them self the extreme left. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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Shadow,

Who are You to lecture anybody about personal responsibility, really?


I mean, Yer a fraud!



Get Real, hillbilly!



Yer never gonna convince ANYBODY that a dumbshit, illiterate fraud such as yourself holds the "moral" ground over a woman's right to control her own body!



GFYS.