I read it and most of it talks about after abortion - whereas most pregnant women get ill or die during pregnany and labor. most of the mental issues come from a lack of conseling afterward, fights with loved ones, or from people aborting when they didn't really want to (I'm pro-choice, no one should be forced to abort or forced to carry)

abortion does liberate us. it makes us into people, not baby factories. it stops us from having to choose between sex lives and long term goals. it allows us to only birth offspring we can care for.

and while this isn't an acredited source, I feel a lot more safe, liberated, and glad that abortion is safe and legal.

and common sense helps as well. think about what pregnancy does to even the most healthy bodies, think about how often labors go wrong or leave injuries (granted sometimes its the way we choose to labor).
an abortion is just like a miscariage (a spontaneous abortion) and almost half of all pregnancies end in those.

I personally support limits on elective* abortion. I think life begins when you can think and feel and be aware- approximently 14 weeks. thats 16 weeks before you delived. and a fetus is viable at 26 weeks.

I don't think women are disgusted by their pregnancies. I find pregnant women to be very attractive.

how does it deem us less worthy?

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Thanks for reading the link.
My point with that is that abortion is more damaging to a woman than having her baby.

Listen to what some of the pioneer original feminists have to say about how demeaning abortion is for us...

Mary Wollstonecraft
As early as 1792, Mary Wollstonecraft wrote "A Vindication of the Rights of Women," which Susan B. Anthony admired enough to serialize in The Revolution. After decrying, in scathing 18th century terms, the sexual exploitation of women, she said:
"Women becoming, consequently, weaker...than they ought to be...have not sufficient strength to discharge the first duty of a mother; and sacrificing to lasciviousness the parental affection...either destroy the embryo in the womb, or cast if off when born. Nature in every thing demands respect, and those who violate her laws seldom violate them with impunity

Sarah Norton
"Child murderers practice their profession without let or hindrance, and open infant butcheries unquestioned...Is there no remedy for all this ante-natal child murder?...Perhaps there will come a time when...an unmarried mother will not be despised because of her motherhood...and when the right of the unborn to be born will not be denied or interfered with."
Woodhull's and Claffin's Weekly, November 19, 1870

Victoria Woodhull
The first female presidential candidate was a strong opponent of abortion.
"The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus."
Woodhull's and Claflin's Weekly 2(6):4 December 24, 1870

Elizabeth Cady Stanton
She classified abortion as a form of "infanticide." The Revolution, 1(5):1, February 5, 1868
"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
Letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873, recorded in Howe's diary at Harvard University Library
"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?"
The Revolution, 1(10):146-7 March 12, 1868

Susan B. Anthony
In her publication The Revolution, was written:
"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!"

It is not about being a baby factory. But what is so liberating about giving the most inner special part of my body to a man and then if we conceive, let him give me the money(if I am lucky) to kill my own child and blow me off? How does that raise my esteem and worth. That I kill my own flesh and blood under the name of "choice"?

I really can't see pregnancy as being safer.... it upsets your organs, alters your blood pressure, makes it easy to get blood infections, puts undo stress on the muscles, and that doesn't even begin to list all the things that go with labor.
and there are also social reprecussions. losing a job, missing a premotion, losing a scholarship, being kicked out of school, harming any career that involves physical activity, ect

I think for many having children is human desire, not male nor female.
but I think for quite a few having children is something they have little interest in. and I don't think being a parnent is or should be paramount for anyone, male or female.

I think it is about being a baby factory. about viewing yourself as a potential carrier for a fetus, as being a pregnant person and no longer an autonomious individual.
I also don't think my vagina makes me who I am or can be given away. for me, sex is often only about me. something I enjoy, I love, and something that another person assits me in doing.
I wouldn't see a/n embroyo/fetus as my child either and hopefully a man would assit me if I need money - but since I do have PP in my area I shouldn't have an issue with that.

it may not raise your self esteem or worth, but that doesn't mean it will lower it.

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And once more, you are unable to bring even one lie on my part here.

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This is classic. This assertion assumes that the US Constitution created rights.


In point of fact, the Framers of the US did not 'create' rights through the US Constitution; the framers merely provided protections for human rights which as noted in the first official document of the United States (declaring the principles on which the United States was founded) are inalienable to the individual; rights which pre-date the United States, as they come with the human being.

A fetus is a human being. That is not debatable. The sophistry which hopes to manipulate the use of "person" in the USC was created by 1960s feminists and stands wholly absurd.

Look closely at the premise of this argument; you'll notice that this argument is speaking to 'legal rights,' desperately wanting to avoid any discussion of human rights. This is intentional and a function of deception as it seeks to set aside the humanity of the person and focus instead on the ethereal notion of "person" as if the Framers of the United States issued the word with the idea that future generations would divine a right to murder the pre-born when they're seen as being convenient, despite the woman's full knowledge that engaging in sexual intercourse would very likely result in the conception of another human being.

The notion that infanticide (the unjustified taking of the prenatal life; typically for the sake of convenience) is patently absurd. Abortion is the murder (morally unjustified taking of human life) of the woman's preborn child. One cannot avoid being damaged when one is found murdering their own children.

The emotional truama can be devastating and span the extent of a woman's entire life, with the shame causing great stress over extended periods, with some scientists concerned that such strains may lead to higher rates of depression and cancer in women.

add to that suicide, promiscuity, usually another abortion, breast cancer, miscarriage, failed relationship of the post abortive couple, and alcohol and drug abuse...

that is pure liberation...whew...I am real independant strong woman now....being able to kill my own baby has definately caused woman to be held in the place of dignity that they should be....

uuggh!!

Nobody's "killing babies." At the stage of gestation that women have abortions, it's a fetus.

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Hey towelie..
would it make you feel more comfortable to say killing their "babies from coming to be" or future babies?

And you never, I don't think, responded my question to you about the baby holding the doctor's hand in utero. Do you see a baby's hand? Or a clump of tissues that strangely enough is formed like a hand? Towelie, what do you see? And if you say a baby then would you be intellectually honest enough to say that abortion at that stage is wrong and murder?

Why not be accurate and call it a fetus? Abortion is indeed the terminating of a pregnancy, is it not? Unless, of course, emotion-driven hyperbole is your goal.....

I saw a fetus's developing hand.

I feel that forced gestation and mandatory childbirth is wrong.

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is a legal term and abortion doesn't qualify. Over 98% of women have their abortions in the first 20 weeks of pregnancy (almost 90% in the first 12 weeeks). At that stage of development, a fetus is non-sentient and is, in no way, a legal person.

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