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06-25-2008, 12:04 PM
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You know, I don't buy the argument that abortion will go on forever because the republicans need it or the democrats need it or that it is necessary for modern politics. The people who will decide the cases moving through the courts right now that will eventually decide the fate of roe are not elected, they are in office for life, and they don't need it as a political issue. If congress were deciding on abortion I would agree, but the decisions on roe are to be made by people who will never have to earn a single vote from either side of the issue.
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I was not talking about dem or rep I was talking about the pro choice and there arguement of when life starts.
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06-25-2008, 05:00 PM
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You're right, Lexi. Overturning Roe will just turn the rights back to the state, many of which will refuse to relegate women to second-class citizenship.
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You have that one wrong as well towelie. You are wrong almost as much as lexi. Roe is going to be overturned on the basis of the personhood of the unborn and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendent, and that being the case, no state will be able to allow abortion since no state is allowed to deny anyone within their jurisdiction the protection of the 14th amendment.
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06-25-2008, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 36shadow
I was not talking about dem or rep I was talking about the pro choice and there arguement of when life starts.
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There is no real argument there either. There are those who accept scientific fact and there are the flat earthers who deny science in favor of their faith.
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06-25-2008, 05:05 PM
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You have that one wrong as well towelie. You are wrong almost as much as lexi. Roe is going to be overturned on the basis of the personhood of the unborn and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendent, and that being the case, no state will be able to allow abortion since no state is allowed to deny anyone within their jurisdiction the protection of the 14th amendment.
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Towelie and I are both right and you are wrong. It doesn't matter one bit if Roe is overturned. Abortions have been here forever and will always be here, no matter what the law says. Not you or anyone else will ever control what women do with their bodies. The only thing you may get accompolished is causing even more deaths to women and fetuses.
Of course from listening to your crazy ravings you'll pat yourself on the back for that ..
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06-25-2008, 05:05 PM
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There is no real argument there either. There are those who accept scientific fact and there are the flat earthers who deny science in favor of their faith.
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Oh I know there is not it rides me though that these shit heads refuse to admit it not because they realy believe there own bullshit. But rather not to do so would sink there arguement and goal.
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06-25-2008, 05:08 PM
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There is no real argument there either. There are those who accept scientific fact and there are the flat earthers who deny science in favor of their faith.
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And there are those that consider their bodies belong to them and will never let another person or court ruling control what they do with their bodies.
Get used to it, that will never change. Scientific facts do not dictate how a person lives their lives.
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06-25-2008, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexi
And there are those that consider their bodies belong to them and will never let another person or court ruling control what they do with their bodies.
Get used to it, that will never change. Scientific facts do not dictate how a person lives their lives.
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06-25-2008, 05:34 PM
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Oh I know there is not it rides me though that these shit heads refuse to admit it not because they realy believe there own bullshit. But rather not to do so would sink there arguement and goal.
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Don't believe in abortion? Don't have one. Stop trying to control women. It's really not a difficult concept. 
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06-25-2008, 05:48 PM
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Towelie and I are both right and you are wrong. It doesn't matter one bit if Roe is overturned. Abortions have been here forever and will always be here, no matter what the law says. Not you or anyone else will ever control what women do with their bodies. The only thing you may get accompolished is causing even more deaths to women and fetuses.
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And that, my dear, is the stupidest of the pro choice arguments. No law ever has prevented people from doing the thing it bans. The law only gives us a means to punish those who do it anyway. I am sure that women will continue to kill their children, and I am sure that a goodly number will be caught and put in jail where they belong.
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06-25-2008, 05:49 PM
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And there are those that consider their bodies belong to them and will never let another person or court ruling control what they do with their bodies.
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The law says you don't own your body so what you "consider" is irrelavent in this case.
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