Am I saying that??? Hell no, it's you that's saying it so stop with the BS. When I was first conceived I was nothing but a clump of cells dude.

That's what I'm saying...

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A rather weak arughment. A woman aborts by seperating the fetus from her. Depending on it's age, it can either live or die on its own. In conjoined twin scenarios the same thing happens. I don't know exact percentages but when they attempt to seperate sometimes one or both may die. Now when that happens, do you persecute the one that turns out alive after the surgery?

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Do they try to save both twins as best as they can or their motive was to kill them by letting them live or die on their own? I don't think they would proceed with the surgery if they don't think they have a chance to survive. Not so in abortion. In abortion, the motive is to kill the unborn child.

Therefore, your whole point is wrong.

So, why would you expect the unborn to have a full body at the time of conception?

Now I'm confused, I never said I "expected" an unborn to have a full body at the time of conception. Pull up my quote where I said that. My quote had the word IF before that, big difference..

And that was an answer to Towlie's comment ..Does the fetus have the right to live by constitution?


Got it now?????

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"its potential, its potential, its potential because I said so, there's your proof" --- Palerider

We are nothing more than a clumb of cells now. A hell of a lot more than the day of conception but a clump just the same. The big difference is that that clump of cells is like no other in this world because it will mature into only one thing and one thing only a full grown human being. It can not think or function like an adult but either can a new born. The arguement is bullshit wether it is human life when it can become nothing other than that. We as a society can try and make laws as to when we recognise life but it does not change when life actualy starts. We are deluded with the fantacy that we can change and control nature and then wonder why we fail so miserably

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The only reason this arguement goes on is because if it did not then Row vs wade would be in jepordy and that is bullshit. We have to lie and shy from the truth to get what we want. That is the way of the world these days and we wonder why our children are as they are. Look at the examples we are setting for them. Is it ok for a woman to have the legal right to make the choice for herself no matter what? Well I say no but if enough Americans say yes then I am ok with that. As long as it does not deny me in my personal life to not agree or accept that. And I am free to teach my children that it is not ok even if they decide for themselves that it is when they are adults. I am ok with that also. But lets be honest about what it is we are voting on allowing to be done legaly and that is the termination of human life period. To twist agrue and lie about that fact shows that one is not responsable enough to be entrusted with such a decision and have a legal right to do so.

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You know, I don't buy the argument that abortion will go on forever because the republicans need it or the democrats need it or that it is necessary for modern politics. The people who will decide the cases moving through the courts right now that will eventually decide the fate of roe are not elected, they are in office for life, and they don't need it as a political issue. If congress were deciding on abortion I would agree, but the decisions on roe are to be made by people who will never have to earn a single vote from either side of the issue.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Abortion will go on forever, it has always been and always will be.

No politicians or judges can stop it,all they can do is make it legal or illegal.

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You're right, Lexi. Overturning Roe will just turn the rights back to the state, many of which will refuse to relegate women to second-class citizenship.

There are underground abortion clinics ready and waiting to go should Roe be overturned.

Abortion is readily available in both Canada and Mexico.

Abortion medications like RU486 are cheap and readily available.

There are websites that will help connect women with abortion providers. There are transportation volunteers and underground financial assistance.

Sorry, anti-choicers. This country will never be like it was pre-Roe v Wade again.

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