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05-14-2008, 10:37 AM
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As long as the fetus is in a womb, the Constitutional rights belong to the woman with the womb.
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RONG RONG RONG,,,,,,it a belonges to GOD......some thi yu alls seems ta miss ......... 
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05-16-2008, 05:53 AM
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Palerider: Interesting. You suggest that trees (in general) shed their limbs in order to survive in an impotent attempt to suggest that abortion is analogous and when challenged to provide some information to support your argument, you mention two highly specialized trees in Australia. One of which is so specialized and localized that it is becoming endangerd due to a disease.
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Well same thing, just a different usage of words, Banskia's and Gumtrees are very common and of now, are of no risk of extinction. Actually you can buy them by the bucket load at the local nursery. You can grow Banksia's it even your yard mate.
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Further, the trees in question don't shed limbs because they are no longer needed, (as you indicated) they shed limbs in order to preserve moisture. It is a process of slow suicide so if you want to analogize abortion to a slow process of societal suicide then perhaps you could get away with that.
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Like I said I used the word "needed" moisture is "needed". Thats what I was referring to.
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Who ever said that plants don't grow by photosynthesis? And what does photosynthesis have to do with abortion. You just keep drifting further and further away from any actual connection to the topic.
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It has everything to do with it, it is to do with the fact that all life is sacred.
Even that blade of grass amongst millions of other blades of grass.
Think.
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05-16-2008, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Moggy
It has everything to do with it, it is to do with the fact that all life is sacred.
Even that blade of grass amongst millions of other blades of grass.
Think.
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Really guy, if mewling and equivocating are the best you can do, why even bother?
Can you, or can't you offer up a rational argument for allowing women to kill their children, without legal consequence, for any or no reason at all?
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05-16-2008, 06:50 AM
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PaleRider;419755]Really guy, if mewling and equivocating are the best you can do, why even bother?
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All things are equal indeed! All things have equal effect on the universe.
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Can you, or can't you offer up a rational argument for allowing women to kill their children, without legal consequence, for any or no reason at all?
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Stillborns, are what I would consider natural abortion, (just like the seed of a plant, that germinates but survives but a few weeks), We may live our life in an hour, or we may struggle through all the sweet and sour of life, just like any other living organism on this planet, but, one must consider that man is the only living being on this planet, that kills its own young before it is even born.
Is that a bit more clear on what I believe.
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05-16-2008, 10:00 AM
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Moggy you seem to be forgetting that animals will eat their young after they are born on occasion.
You also seem to miss the parts of the bible where God says he made some animals so stupid they step on and kill their own young.
The Ostrich (Job 39:13-18)
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(v.13) The wings of the female ostriches flap lustily (in exultation) As the pinion and feather of a kindly stork.
So your assertion that only humans kill their young is completely wrong moggy.
Lots of animals kill their own young and even cannibalize them. Lions for example will kill the cubs of another male lion to try to make the females come back into heat faster so they can have their own young born.
All this needs to be taken into consideration when considering how God designed the world in which we live. because God did design and controls it all and we humans cannot begin to understand why God would allow animals to seek out and kill their own kind, but God allows humans to do the same thing.
(v.14) Rather, she leaves her eggs upon the ground, And warms it in the dust.
(v.15) And forgets that a foot may crush it And that the beast of the field may trample it.
(v.16) She acts harshly toward her young as if they were not hers, It does not distress her that her labor is in vain.
(v.17) For God has caused her to forget wisdom. And He has not apportioned perception to her.
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05-16-2008, 10:57 AM
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Moggy you seem to be forgetting that animals will eat their young after they are born on occasion.
You also seem to miss the parts of the bible where God says he made some animals so stupid they step on and kill their own young.
The Ostrich (Job 39:13-18)
Translation:
(v.13) The wings of the female ostriches flap lustily (in exultation) As the pinion and feather of a kindly stork.
So your assertion that only humans kill their young is completely wrong moggy.
Lots of animals kill their own young and even cannibalize them. Lions for example will kill the cubs of another male lion to try to make the females come back into heat faster so they can have their own young born.
All this needs to be taken into consideration when considering how God designed the world in which we live. because God did design and controls it all and we humans cannot begin to understand why God would allow animals to seek out and kill their own kind, but God allows humans to do the same thing.
(v.14) Rather, she leaves her eggs upon the ground, And warms it in the dust.
(v.15) And forgets that a foot may crush it And that the beast of the field may trample it.
(v.16) She acts harshly toward her young as if they were not hers, It does not distress her that her labor is in vain.
(v.17) For God has caused her to forget wisdom. And He has not apportioned perception to her.
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Your "deductive" logic lacks much. You defeat your own conclusions by the scriptures presented. You claim that God "allows" animals to deliberately kill their off spring with premeditation of forethought which would make it an evil action. But clearly the scriptures declare an entirely different conclusion. Notice V 17? They do these actions, NOT BECAUSE THEY PREMEDITATE, but because, UNLIKE MAN/WOMAN, God HAS NOT appointed THE ABILITY to "PERCEIVE" or reason to the lower life forms, thus they act only out of instinct. Moggy is right, MAN/WOMAN is the only creature on earth that take the life of their offspring.....WITH PREMEDITATED KNOWLEDGE OF FORETHOUGHT, knowing "exactly" what they are doing, "Taking the life of their own offspring to directly benefit their own selfish life with the knowledge of clearly understanding what they are about doing".
You should take the advise of ll Peter 3:16-17, and "KNOW" exactly what you are talking about before you take scriptures and twist them to your own destruction. And there is nowhere in the entire length of the HOLY SCRIPTURES, both Old and New Testaments that declares the child inside the womb of a woman anything other than a Child, A life, A Baby, And Alive. If there is please present the book, chapter, and verse. Therefore, if God declares a gestating child as baby....what indeed does taking the life of that "child", make that action, if it is not MURDER? BD
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05-16-2008, 02:34 PM
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Stillborns, are what I would consider natural abortion, (just like the seed of a plant, that germinates but survives but a few weeks), We may live our life in an hour, or we may struggle through all the sweet and sour of life, just like any other living organism on this planet, but, one must consider that man is the only living being on this planet, that kills its own young before it is even born.
Is that a bit more clear on what I believe.
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There is a distinct difference between a natural death (being stillborn) and being deliberately killed (abortion).
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05-16-2008, 02:38 PM
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You should take the advise of ll Peter 3:16-17, and "KNOW" exactly what you are talking about before you take scriptures and twist them to your own destruction.
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But that isn't what the false prophets are all about. They are in the business of trying to convince those who lack education that bad is good and good is bad.
You have to admit that she is good at what she does. If one hadn't taken time to actually study, she does sound convincing.
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Originally Posted by bluedog
And there is nowhere in the entire length of the HOLY SCRIPTURES, both Old and New Testaments that declares the child inside the womb of a woman anything other than a Child, A life, A Baby, And Alive. If there is please present the book, chapter, and verse. Therefore, if God declares a gestating child as baby....what indeed does taking the life of that "child", make that action, if it is not MURDER? BD
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Now that is one of those things she would necessarily leave out. Those who haven't studied wouldn't know. The lie is as much about what isn't said as it is about what is said.
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05-19-2008, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
There is a distinct difference between a natural death (being stillborn) and being deliberately killed (abortion).
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Do ya think so???
What I was trying to say, was that still births are natures abortions, anything but is murder. Thats why I said "humans are the only ones that kill their young before they are born". yaarr. 
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05-19-2008, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wvpeach
Moggy you seem to be forgetting that animals will eat their young after they are born on occasion.
You also seem to miss the parts of the bible where God says he made some animals so stupid they step on and kill their own young.
The Ostrich (Job 39:13-18)
Translation:
(v.13) The wings of the female ostriches flap lustily (in exultation) As the pinion and feather of a kindly stork.
So your assertion that only humans kill their young is completely wrong moggy.
Lots of animals kill their own young and even cannibalize them. Lions for example will kill the cubs of another male lion to try to make the females come back into heat faster so they can have their own young born.
All this needs to be taken into consideration when considering how God designed the world in which we live. because God did design and controls it all and we humans cannot begin to understand why God would allow animals to seek out and kill their own kind, but God allows humans to do the same thing.
(v.14) Rather, she leaves her eggs upon the ground, And warms it in the dust.
(v.15) And forgets that a foot may crush it And that the beast of the field may trample it.
(v.16) She acts harshly toward her young as if they were not hers, It does not distress her that her labor is in vain.
(v.17) For God has caused her to forget wisdom. And He has not apportioned perception to her.
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This is true what you say, but like I said....re post to PR. just above this one.
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