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04-09-2008, 05:29 AM
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The supreme court has stuck down state bans on abortion satv.
So it appears unless you reform the federal government and the supreme court who seem to think they have the right to tell the states what to do your out of luck.
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Maybe you didn't notice that the Surpeme COurt has been reformed. There is a conservative majority now who have upheld state restrictions on late term abortions and have invited states to further restrict abortion which will bring more cases by which they can further restrict abortion.
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04-09-2008, 05:59 AM
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The key word is INVITED and that means the states can do with that whatever they want to..
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04-09-2008, 10:35 AM
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No lexi, you poor stupid dear, invited is not the key word. Keep working on it though and some day, you may get it.
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04-09-2008, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
Maybe you didn't notice that the Surpeme COurt has been reformed. There is a conservative majority now who have upheld state restrictions on late term abortions and have invited states to further restrict abortion which will bring more cases by which they can further restrict abortion.
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What ever O' palewonder liar . Just the other day you were telling me abortion is not protected by law. Now you admit it is and there is nothing you can do about that.
The supreme court interprets laws pale. Don't get so excited about them interpreting anything in your favor. Because most Americans support a womans right to choose pale. If the supreme court did somehow make a ruling against roe V wade which was just a court case after all. Then the congress and senate can always pass a law making abortion legal, which they would because most of American supports it. The supreme court will not mess with a law except to interpret it.
The only reason they have not already made the law is that it keeps them from having to listen to the emotional rantings of nut cases like you.
But if it came down to it they will make the law the citizens will insist. Besides legal arguments can now be made that since fertility clinics are killing embryos and the birth control causes abortions too that those must be treated all the same. Lawyers would have a field day with the fact birth control pills cause abortions and medical science is now clear on that.
The country wants women on birth control, we want to give birth control to third world countries as well. They want women to be able to go to fertility clinics.
If abortion was ever banned again it would open up the door to ban birth control pills and fertility clinics too.
Not going to happen. They would pass a law making abortion legal before they would fight the arguments against fertility clinics and birth control pills.
Your chasing the wind or your tail palerider. You might be able to catch your tail but you will never catch the wind.
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04-09-2008, 10:45 AM
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The key word is INVITED and that means the states can do with that whatever they want to..
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The supreme court has already stuck down one states ban on abortion lexi. I think it was one of the Carolina's. At any rate any law they pass will go to the supreme court and if it bans of impedes the right to a abortion it will be struck down.
The only thing in question here is how late term a abortion can be done, parental consent for minors, that kind of stuff.
The supreme court has made it clear it is against the law to ban abortions.
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04-09-2008, 10:47 AM
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What ever O' palewonder liar . Just the other day you were telling me abortion is not protected by law. Now you admit it is and there is nothing you can do about that.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between law and a court decision. If there were actual law, then in all likelyhood this discussion wouldn't be happening.
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The supreme court interprets laws pale. Don't get so excited about them interpreting anything in your favor. Because most Americans support a womans right to choose pale. If the supreme court did somehow make a ruling against roe V wade which was just a court case after all. Then the congress and senate can always pass a law making abortion legal, which they would because most of American supports it. The supreme court will not mess with a law except to interpret it.
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If the congress and senate had the cojones to pass a law with regard to abortion, they would have done it already. None of them are prepared to stick their neck out that far. When roe is overturned, it will be on the basis of the establishment of the personhood of the unborn. In which case, they (unborns) will have the protection of the 14th amendment and at that point, congress will not be able to make a law legalizing abortion because it would be unquestionably unconstitutional.
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04-09-2008, 10:55 AM
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The supreme court has already stuck down one states ban on abortion lexi. I think it was one of the Carolina's. At any rate any law they pass will go to the supreme court and if it bans of impedes the right to a abortion it will be struck down.
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Wishful thinking peach. That ban was struck down prior to the appointment of the latest justice.
Maybe you haven't read what Ruth Bader Ginsberg (pro choice advocate and Supreme Court Justice) has had to say with regard to the new court. Here is a clip from an interview she did with CNN.
In a bitter dissent read from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the only woman on the high court, said the majority's opinion "cannot be understood as anything other than an effort to chip away a right declared again and again by this court, and with increasing comprehension of its centrality to women's lives."
She called the ruling "alarming" and noted the conservative majority "tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases" by doctor's groups, including gyncecologists.
The Justice Department and abortion rights groups have offered differing views of the legislation's impact on women's overall second trimester access to the procedure, and whether the procedure is ever medically necessary.
This was the first time the high court had heard a major abortion case in six years, and since then, its makeup has changed, with Roberts and Alito now on board.
Their presence on the bench provided the solid conservative majority needed to allow the federal ban to go into effect, with Kennedy providing the key fifth vote for a majority.
Justice Ginsberg sees the writing on the wall with regard to Roe. She is not deluding herself into believing that the status quo will remain forever.
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The supreme court has made it clear it is against the law to ban abortions.
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Maybe you should ask Justice Ginsberg what she thinks about that statement. The ban on later term abortion has been upheld and they are just waiting for cases that are in the lower courts to reach the Supreme Court so abortion can be further restricted.
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04-09-2008, 10:56 AM
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You seem to be avoiding discussion on your reference to corrupt biblical translations peach.
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04-09-2008, 11:15 AM
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I use the King James Bible always to quote palerider.
And I quote the entire scripture unlike your buddy Bluedog who makes his own scripture up.
I know why you don't recongnize the kIng James version of the bible palerider...................Because you have never read the bible.
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04-09-2008, 11:25 AM
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Okay palerider
In my posts which are many so you have a lot to choose from . Pull up one wrong quote from the bible I have posted. ..................................Hah, Chase the wind awhile if you want to palerider.
You won't find one , because I am always very careful to quote the scripture clearly and completely often adding the verse before and after just to make sure the scripture meaning is clear.
Your proving yourself to be a liar again palerider. Because anybody that knows anything about the bible at all will never be able to find a place where I have changed scripture at all. It is a big sin to change the scripture, I can honestly say that is a sin I have never committed.
I'm not like you and your buddy bluedog palerider. I don't make my own scripture up.
I honor the bible and I always quote directly , word for word from the King James Version of the bible that way there can be no controversy because most everybody accepts the king james version.
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