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Old 04-01-2008, 04:05 PM
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Yep. I ask over and over for people (especially you) to prove the things you say and yet, you never do it. I rarely say anything that I can't substantiate. If saying one thing that I can't substantiate makes me a liar, what does it make you when you make statement after statement that you are unable to substantiate? How many things have you said about me that you are completely unable to prove or substantiate in any way? Care to take a guess? Or is it OK for you to do it but not OK for someone else?

Well at least you admitted your a liar if nothing else.. I never called you a murderer Pale and you know it. That's getting pretty low down in the gutter when you say something like that with no proof.
But then that's typical of pro lifers so I couldn't expect anything else from you.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:10 PM
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Abortion is not about science. Abortion is simply about killing human fetus. Pro abortioners hide behind the skirts of the women they impregnate.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:17 PM
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Well at least you admitted your a liar if nothing else.. I never called you a murderer Pale and you know it. That's getting pretty low down in the gutter when you say something like that with no proof.
But then that's typical of pro lifers so I couldn't expect anything else from you.

And I never called you a murderer. And I never said that you personally had an abortion. You make your arguments and you do not make them in a vaccum. What you say has influence on people. Can you say with any certainty that you have not said something that might convince some young and scared girl that killing her child is really OK?
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:40 PM
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And I never called you a murderer. And I never said that you personally had an abortion. You make your arguments and you do not make them in a vaccum. What you say has influence on people. Can you say with any certainty that you have not said something that might convince some young and scared girl that killing her child is really OK?

No matter how you put it Pale it still comes out the same way.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:46 PM
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Victims Have Say as Birmingham Bomber Is Sentenced

BIRMINGHAM, Ala., July 18 - It was Emily Lyons's first chance to address Eric R. Rudolph, the bomber whose attack on an abortion clinic here in 1998 left her half-blind and maimed. And she had plenty to say.


Emily Lyons, the nurse wounded by Eric Rudolph's bomb, told him in court Monday, "Do I look afraid? You damaged my body, but you did not create the fear you sought."


Mrs. Lyons, who had been the director of nursing at the New Woman All Women Health Care clinic, called Mr. Rudolph a coward for making a plea deal to avoid the death penalty, and said, pointedly, that the clinics he bombed were still in operation today and that his attack had transformed her into a public figure who had raised thousands of dollars for abortion services.

And she told Mr. Rudolph at his sentencing Monday morning in Federal District Court, "I have more guts in my broken little finger than you have in your whole body."

Mr. Rudolph, who pleaded guilty in April to the Birmingham bombing and three bombings in Atlanta, was sentenced to two life sentences without parole for the Birmingham bombing. Judge C. Lynwood Smith ordered him to pay $1.2 million restitution to the victims, though he acknowledged that Mr. Rudolph had no financial resources. .

For his part, Mr. Rudolph remained unrepentant in his first extended public remarks since his arrest after five years as a fugitive, calling violence against abortion providers "a moral duty."


"As I go to a prison cell for a lifetime, I know that 'I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith,' " he said, quoting from the New Testament.

The four bombings injured 150 people and killed 2, Alice Hawthorne at Olympic Centennial Park in Atlanta and Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer, in Birmingham. Monday was the first time victims or their family members could confront Mr. Rudolph directly.

After the sentencing, Ms. Lyons said that she had been waiting seven and a half years to speak to Mr. Rudolph, and that she was satisfied. "At least I knew he was listening," she said.

Prosecutors had agreed not to seek the death penalty if Mr. Rudolph helped them recover more than 250 pounds of explosives he had hidden in western North Carolina, buried in the wilderness where he had taken cover while in hiding. Officials announced the deal in April, after law enforcement agents recovered the explosives.

Prosecutors have said that finding the explosives, which could have been a danger to hikers and scouts, made the plea agreement worthwhile. After his plea, Mr. Rudolph issued a statement in which he gloated that he had "deprived the government of its goal of sentencing me to death."

Ms. Lyons, who has been vocal in her disappointment that Mr. Rudolph would not face capital punishment, read a seven-page statement recounting the many ways in which he had worked against himself: he saved the receipt for bombing components bought at Wal-Mart; he left explosive residue all over his trailer; he failed to notice that his intended target in Birmingham, the doctor providing abortions, did not use the clinic's front door; he left the bomb in plain sight instead of hiding it in the bushes; he wrote the word "bomb" in the margin of his Bible; and, ultimately, he failed to stop women from obtaining abortions.

She said she believed that Mr. Rudolph had used abortion as an excuse to kill. "What makes you think you have been appointed to rule every woman in the United States?" she asked.


She also said that he owed his life to his victims' families, most of whom agreed to the plea deal. "You murdered their loved ones, yet they kept the needle out of your arm," she said. "Your efforts did not save you; your victims' families did."

"You have been and will be a parasite on society, costing us millions," she added.


Felecia Sanderson, the widow of the police officer killed in the bombing, has rarely spoken publicly about the bombings. But she stood before Judge Smith, saying she would address the court but not Mr. Rudolph. "I have nothing to say to the piece of garbage that murdered my husband," she said.

Ms. Sanderson played a videotape of eulogists at her husband's funeral, who remembered him keeping candy for children in his patrol car and, after responding to a call from a family whose home had been burglarized, raising money to replace their stolen Christmas gifts. She said her two sons, Mr. Sanderson's stepsons, had been deprived of a father by Mr. Rudolph. "He has been responsible for every tear my sons have shed, and I despise him for it," Ms. Sanderson said. "I've got no forgiveness for him."

She also praised police officers in general for their daily courage, and the prosecutors for working hard to convict her husband's killer.

"There is no punishment in my opinion great enough for Eric Rudolph, but, you know, to lock him away in supermax is a start," Ms. Sanderson said, referring to the maximum security prison in Colorado where Mr. Rudolph will be held.

When it came time for Mr. Rudolph to speak, he likened abortion to infanticide and said its legalization made the state "the handmaiden of the new hedonism." An "abortion mill," he said, was the "vomitorium of modernity."

"Those who attempt to save the lives of unborn children and who wish to promote a culture that respects life are now treated as fanatics, threats to American freedom," he said.

The prosecutor, Michael W. Whisonant, compared Mr. Rudolph to "religious extremists who set off bombs in subways and fly airplanes into buildings."

Judge Smith likened him to a Nazi, telling him: "You misused your gifts. You allowed yourself to be overcome and overwhelmed by bigotry and intolerance."
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:39 PM
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And that has exactly what to do with anything? Anyone who bombs a clinic should be put to death. Exactly what is your point?
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The thread was not made to attack one person but an organization of fanatics that want to control womens bodies. Maybe you need to get a life.
You are full of You made two now with his name in the title. This is now the second thread you made just for purpose of trashing palerider. Stop being an ass. It is really patheic.
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:04 PM
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You are full of You made two now with his name in the title. This is now the second thread you made just for purpose of trashing palerider. Stop being an ass. It is really patheic.

She can't win in a head to head debate so this is her pissy way of trying to get even. Pitiful isn't it?
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:21 PM
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Well I hate to rock your boat but I'm not a Liberal...
How so?
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:57 AM
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The thread was not made to attack one person but an organization of fanatics that want to control womens bodies. Maybe you need to get a life.
More lies lexi. And such an obvious one. The first attack thread had my name as its title. This one is poster boy for pro life. Boy. Singular. Me. And your argument in the first post is about me.

Once again lexi, you are proven to be a liar, not just someone saying that you are a liar, but actually proven to be one.
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