you are just trying to find ways to increase your arguments and philsophy is not a good place for that.
you do become something other than yourself if you do not think or process things the same way you did. you are not just defined by being an individual, you are defined by how you relate to the world around you and how the world relates to you.
philsophy is not difinitive. each philsopher has had a different set of views and there are numerous field of philsophy wach containing their own basic views which are deconstructed or built on by other philsophers.
perhaps you need a refresher course in philosophy.

I started this thread because marmalade said that she wanted to philosophically discuss abortion. Not because I needed another avenue to make my argument. I was already winning with the scientific argument. marmalade thought that if she could get away from science, that she could win. So far, she is avoiding this thread because I believe she sees that she can't win here either.

You are what you are wolf. Your DNA identifies you as you. If you suffer a brain injury and your personality is lost, you are still you. You don't become anything, or anyone else. You are you with a brain injury, nothing more.

How you relate to the world is a product of your upbringing. Your parents, your friends, your surroundings. Had you been given up for adoption when you were born, you might have an entirely different world view as a result of a different upbringing but you would still be the same individual you were on the day of your conception. The effect that other people have on you does not define what you are.

Perhaps you need some more advanced courses. You have at best, two semesters and my bet is that you made no better than a C in either. Don't suggest that I need a refresher until you can demonstrate a better grasp of the basics.

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If you suffer a brain injury, you will still be you. You will be you with a brain injury. Do you also believe that you become a different being if you cut your foot? After all, your appearance would change because of the scar. A brain injury leaves a scar as well. The scar is more pronounced than the one on your foot, but it is nothing more than a scar none the less.[quote]

According to loved ones viewing you with damaged or destroyed brain, you nolonger are you, and the mourning process begins. Why would this process begin if you were still you?

Continue, my friend.

The existance of the Soul has been debated for thousands of years, hasn't it?

And, I would think it could be debated that you can become 'un personed' by horrendous trauma to the brain. Wouldn't you?

However the soul is not proven, do you recognize its possibility?

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If you suffer a brain injury, you will still be you. You will be you with a brain injury. Do you also believe that you become a different being if you cut your foot? After all, your appearance would change because of the scar. A brain injury leaves a scar as well. The scar is more pronounced than the one on your foot, but it is nothing more than a scar none the less.YOU are different with brain damage, you are still you, you are different.

An apple that tastes like an orange is still an apple.

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

No, it's not. It's an orpple.

so pale all people are is just some DNA... nothing special, no souls- no value for their minds- just dna?

thank god you don't define anyone but yourself. I'd hate to think of myself or anyone else as being that simple

No.................

So by what magic do you become a thing that you weren't before? How is it that, in reality, you become a different thing?

People mourn all sorts of things marmalade. Thier mourning doesn't change reality. Soldiers missing in action are mourned but if they are alive, their reality doesn't change an iota. Why would the process of mourning begin when those mourning them didn't know for sure that they are dead?

People mourn lost relationships, but the reality of what the person they were involved with is doesn't change because of the mourning. Mourning doesn't change reality. Mourning is only your way of dealing with your own emotions, it does not change reality.
Continue, my friend.

Yes. Can you show any evidence that the debate is over or that one side has presented more proof than the other? If the debate is as yet unsettled, then there is no advantage to be had for either side by bringing the soul into the conversation. The purpose of philosophy is to cut through the crap, not to pile it on.

Are you unpersoned by an amputation, or any other injury? Do you have some evidence that something more than tissue damage happens if your brain is injured? Can you prove in any way that what you consider to be "you" is anything more than synapses firing? If you suffer a brain injury, the law certainly doesn't consider you un-personed. You don't become livestock as the result of brain injury? If I injur my brain and my personality changes, then I am me with a brain injury and personality changes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whether I recognize the possibility or not does not change the reality nor woudl it change the conversation. We are talking about what is real here, not what might or might not be. If the best you can do with regard to abortion is to say that we "might" not be persons until we are born, by what line of logic do you say that it is ok to deny their rights and kill them?

And you have not touched on the whole post that I put up just for you. I am so dissappointed.

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Hey, we have a winner. It is good to know that there are still some thinkers in the world who can look at a question, apply logic, and give a straight forward answer.

Congratulations. Your year's supply of Rice a Roni is in the mail.

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Clearly, you didn't understand the original question. Here, let me ask it again.

Can you be made into something less than you actually are or more than you actually are, or into an entirely different thing than you actually are via the application of a philosophical concept?


And you define no one else but yourself wolf. Now that we have determined that we define no one but ourselves (and we can't do a good job of that) do you believe that you can change the reality of what someone or something else is by applying a philosophical concept?

Keep in mind that you just said that the only person you can define is yourself.

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