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Abortion
I have done quite a lot of research on abortion. And have been against it. There has been only one argument that almost had me change my mind. And that was that the government should not control what we can do. But then I thought about what a government is here for. To protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We need to help protect this life.
I understand first hand the feeling of taking the easier way out. I had a terrible experience in my pregnancy where the father did not want me or the baby and hated me for not getting one. I was tempted and even went down the the clinic but could not do it because I knew I would hate myself for the rest of my life for compromising my feelings and for not doing what I knew was right. I do not hate or look down on people that actually do have one done. In fact I have friends that have had ones. I just think that it is important to protect the life of the ones that can't protect themselves.
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Abortion should always be an option. With making it illegal you don't allow an option to exist because not everyone wants to have a child. In a time where technology can do something to benefit someone, why should it not be exploited? Oh yeah I'm not bashing you, just respectfully replying.
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05-02-2008, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by T_Ereponemos
Abortion should always be an option. With making it illegal you don't allow an option to exist because not everyone wants to have a child. In a time where technology can do something to benefit someone, why should it not be exploited? Oh yeah I'm not bashing you, just respectfully replying.
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Not everyone wants to fall off a tall building either. I suppose that is why so few are up walking around on ledges.
In this country, human beings have a right to live and unborns at any stage fall into the human being category. If you can demonstrate in any real way that an unborn isn't just as human as you, and therefore as deserving of having its right to live as you, by all means, make your argument. The 14th amendment, after all, says explicitly that no person shall forfiet their life liberty or property without due process. Since all human beings are persons because a person is the kind of creature you are and the degree to which you manifest your potential I would love to see a rational argument for killing them that applies equally to every other living human being in the country.
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05-02-2008, 08:27 PM
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Not everyone wants to fall off a tall building either. I suppose that is why so few are up walking around on ledges.
In this country, human beings have a right to live and unborns at any stage fall into the human being category. If you can demonstrate in any real way that an unborn isn't just as human as you, and therefore as deserving of having its right to live as you, by all means, make your argument. The 14th amendment, after all, says explicitly that no person shall forfiet their life liberty or property without due process. Since all human beings are persons because a person is the kind of creature you are and the degree to which you manifest your potential I would love to see a rational argument for killing them that applies equally to every other living human being in the country.
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I feel that if it is still attached to the mother she can kill it, but if the baby is killed after the umbilical cord is cut, it is then murder. I see the fetus as an unfinished growing parasite, it is part of the mother. So only she can decide it's fate until it is able to live w/o the umbilical cord. Why do animals such as Praying mantis' eat their young? For Survival. In this world if you cannot afford a baby, in a way you will not survive.
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05-02-2008, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Emi
I have done quite a lot of research on abortion. And have been against it. There has been only one argument that almost had me change my mind. And that was that the government should not control what we can do. But then I thought about what a government is here for. To protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We need to help protect this life.
I understand first hand the feeling of taking the easier way out. I had a terrible experience in my pregnancy where the father did not want me or the baby and hated me for not getting one. I was tempted and even went down the the clinic but could not do it because I knew I would hate myself for the rest of my life for compromising my feelings and for not doing what I knew was right. I do not hate or look down on people that actually do have one done. In fact I have friends that have had ones. I just think that it is important to protect the life of the ones that can't protect themselves.
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We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - SIMPLY BECAUSE WE BREATHE! THIS RIGHT IS NOT DUE US BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT.... If anything, the government infringes on these rights - AND CERTAINLY DOESN'T PROTECT THEM! WAKE UP!!!
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05-04-2008, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by T_Ereponemos
I feel that if it is still attached to the mother she can kill it, but if the baby is killed after the umbilical cord is cut, it is then murder.
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What you "feel" is irrelavent. What you can prove is what is important.
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I see the fetus as an unfinished growing parasite, it is part of the mother.
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How you "see" a thing is irrelavent as well. Clearly, you don't know what does and what doesn't constutute a parasite so your view is pointless. Can you substantiate your view with anything that resembles credible science?
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Why do animals such as Praying mantis' eat their young? For Survival. In this world if you cannot afford a baby, in a way you will not survive.
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Is comparing a human being to an insect really the best you can do? If that represents your best shot, why bother at all?
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05-04-2008, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by naturemomma
We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - SIMPLY BECAUSE WE BREATHE! THIS RIGHT IS NOT DUE US BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT.... If anything, the government infringes on these rights - AND CERTAINLY DOESN'T PROTECT THEM! WAKE UP!!!
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Define "we" as you use it. Are you talking "we" as in human beings?
I note that you believe that we have this right because we breathe. You do realize, don't you, that we are breathing from the time we are concieved. Breathe is the mundane word for respriation and respiration is the sum total of the physical and chemical processes in an organism by which oxygen is conveyed to tissues and cells, and the oxidation products, carbon dioxide and water, are given off.
If you believe that we have the right to live simply because we are breathing, then why do you argue to deny that right to unborn human beings who are breathing as surely as you?
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05-04-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Emi
I have done quite a lot of research on abortion. And have been against it. There has been only one argument that almost had me change my mind. And that was that the government should not control what we can do. But then I thought about what a government is here for. To protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We need to help protect this life.
I understand first hand the feeling of taking the easier way out. I had a terrible experience in my pregnancy where the father did not want me or the baby and hated me for not getting one. I was tempted and even went down the the clinic but could not do it because I knew I would hate myself for the rest of my life for compromising my feelings and for not doing what I knew was right. I do not hate or look down on people that actually do have one done. In fact I have friends that have had ones. I just think that it is important to protect the life of the ones that can't protect themselves.
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you dont always here the other side of the story, but a lot of people have abortions and never regret it once. in fact, most people are like that. GET OVER YOURSELF!
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05-05-2008, 11:02 AM
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If the baby don't care. I don't care
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05-05-2008, 12:01 PM
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35yrs. after
first of all anybody with a grain of (common sense)knows that technology has changed drastically in the last 35yrs. and a fetus (i.e.)baby can be viable as early as 22wks. now with (current) technology, so the old reasoning of abortion 35yrs.ago is obsolete and should be revisited based on (current)technology and i believe it will sometime sooner rather than later.
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