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05-13-2008, 01:28 PM
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Well, you might have proved that I used a metaphor .
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In that case then the comment you're using as your sig is a metaphor also.. Aren't you the smart one??? 
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05-13-2008, 01:48 PM
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I always like to compare the "semantical" argument of defining life. Life is present when there is evidence of gestation or growth, and this life is nothing but human life, what else can it be? Even the American System of Jurisprudence agrees that life is still life, even if it is in a state of "gestation". What other conclusion can one come to when "animal" rights to life is deemed paramount in importance as compared to human life. For example, The American Bald Eagle and their "eggs" are protected under US Law. Just how can the egg be protected by law if it is not considered a "developmental stage" in the life of the American Bald Eagle? As such, the semantical argument as defining life by the breaths taken or the ability to have cognation of reason simply fall into the pit of hell from which they originated....the LIBERAL MIND of manipulating physical facts to suit their own selfish wants and needs. If you do not want children, do not engage in the unprotected act of sex. Do not wait until there is "life" present and then decide to hide the fact that you are a "naughty" little girl from society by killing the evidence to preserve your "social status", most evil and selfish indeed. BD
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05-13-2008, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluedog
I always like to compare the "semantical" argument of defining life. Life is present when there is evidence of gestation or growth, and this life is nothing but human life, what else can it be? Even the American System of Jurisprudence agrees that life is still life, even if it is in a state of "gestation". What other conclusion can one come to when "animal" rights to life is deemed paramount in importance as compared to human life. For example, The American Bald Eagle and their "eggs" are protected under US Law. Just how can the egg be protected by law if it is not considered a "developmental stage" in the life of the American Bald Eagle? As such, the semantical argument as defining life by the breaths taken or the ability to have cognation of reason simply fall into the pit of hell from which they originated....the LIBERAL MIND of manipulating physical facts to suit their own selfish wants and needs. If you do not want children, do not engage in the unprotected act of sex. Do not wait until there is "life" present and then decide to hide the fact that you are a "naughty" little girl from society by killing the evidence to preserve your "social status", most evil and selfish indeed. BD
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I don't think it has anything to do with LIBERAL MINDS , just a woman's right to chose what happens to her body.
The "unprotected act of sex" is just as much a man's responsibility as it is the womans. She couldn't get pregnant without the man's sperm..
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05-13-2008, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexi
I don't think it has anything to do with LIBERAL MINDS , just a woman's right to chose what happens to her body.
The "unprotected act of sex" is just as much a man's responsibility as it is the womans. She couldn't get pregnant without the man's sperm..
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now, now, Lexi, you know common sense never matters when it comes to these debates... 
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05-13-2008, 03:50 PM
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The issue of abortion is there any new arguements left?
The truth is probably not.....
People stand on the issue the way they stand.....
What I find interesting is that it is still an issue at all....
If one does not wish to get pregnant there arecertainly enough ways to avoide it.
It seems to me that what really abortion is about is responsibility, or the desire to avoide responsibility.....
Popping a pill in the morning is really not all that hard folks...
IUD's condoms, Tubes tied however far ya would like to go there are deffinately plenty of ways in todays society to just say that yes it is a womans body, she does have the right to decide what she wants to do with it....
That desission however, needs to be made prior to the pregnancy....
I believe that if a woman does not do what is needed and readily available, to avoide a pregnancy, then she should lose that right for 9 months.
Lets face it the woman is not haveing "her" arm cut off during an abortion, it is not a procedure that is really a woman doing what she wants with "her" body but to a body growing inside of her body.
Some have debated on when the fetus is alive.....
However, the irony is that bothsides agree that it is alive at conception....
Yup they do.....lets face it if people did not believe it was alive and growing they would not believe it needed to be killed.
Ladies along with rights need to come responsibility.....
You have the right to do what you want with your body up to the point where what you are doing affects another persons body....
Abortion should be made illegal and all forms of contraception should be made free to the public at any and all public health departments....
The woman should have the right and the ability to avoide a pregnancy but if she does not use the ability to avoide the pregnancy she should not be allowed to terminate it....
Her rights and life are no more precious than the one that is growing inside her....
If ya don't want to get pregnant than do something about it before it becomes an issue.... this really should be a no brainer!!!
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05-14-2008, 05:45 AM
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Right Nature, I don't come here for common sense debates. I have them all day long so need a break from it. Just thougth BD needed corrected on a few lines.. 
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05-14-2008, 05:51 AM
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Right Nature, I don't come here for common sense debates. I have them all day long so need a break from it. Just thougth BD needed corrected on a few lines.. 
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He needs correction on more than a few. 
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05-14-2008, 05:56 AM
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Viking,
That's rediculous to think you can take a way a woman's rights....
My neice just informed everyone that she is pregnant.. SHe is in her early 20's, thought she was involved in a serious relationship, was on B/C, the pill and used a condom - got pregnant. SHe is keeping it, with no support from the father. But had she decided to have an abortion, I would have been the one holding her hand. Her mother is pro-life and would never have forgiven her. I, on the other hand, am also pro-life, but a woman's right to choose comes first. Sorry, that's just the reality. No one has the right to take away someone's choice. No matter what they believe.
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05-14-2008, 08:24 AM
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Well nature....
that certainly is the popular point of view......
and why not.....
lets face it people are not what they use to be, men or women.....
Most men are not "real" men.....
A real man gets a woman pregnant and he puts the woman and the childs needs before his own.... not many of us left in the world.....
Selfishness is the standard for todays society.....
It is all about what is best for "ME".......
I remember a day when mothers would give up their lives for their children.... most of those women are gone.... women today would kill their babies just to avoide the stretch marks, or to have it interfere with her carreer, etc.
So yup, it is legal to go and have a babies brains sucked out....
and to make it justifiable we place it in the catagory of "womans rights"....
It is legal and by our definitions in todays society morrally acceptable....
Been over 43,000,000 since Roe vs Wade in 1973.
I can't help but wonder what our grandchildren will think of us....
From 1939 - 1945 it was legal and even morrally acceptable in Nazi Germany to Kill Jews in the Gas chambers....
The irony is that they told people they are not really human... as they say of a fetus.... so it is fine to kill them.....
They killed 6,000,000 Jews and we call it the hollocaust....
As bad as that was it pales in comparison to what America has done to its own babies....
At least with Hitler he considered the Jews his enemy.....
We do far worse we kill our own children....
As bad as Hitler was he did it for power and he was at least to some degree insane....
Our people are not doing it for power, or due to insanity, no far worse they are doing it, knowing exactly what we are doing and merely to avoide responsibility.... trully sad..... that our people have sank so low.....
20 years old is certainly old enough to have and to care for a child....
If the father will not help there are ways for your niece to get help and for social services to go after this guy for support.... It is a lame excuse people use.... all the "what ifs".....
The biggest I hear is what if she was raped????????????????????????????
My first thought is always "what is your point?"
Will an abortion somehow make the rape go away?
Did the baby commit the rape?
If not why is the baby being killed to pay for it?
I can see why certain mothers would be incappable of raiesing a child that she conceived during a rape, but abortion is not the only answer to that....
Many people are on waiting lists to adopt children...
Newbornes are at the highest desire....
The funny thing about liberals is that they have no problem with the innocent childs brains being suctioned out.... but most are against the death penalty to put the rapeist to death....
Does anyone besides me not see the stupidity of killing the innocent baby but paying for the rapeist for 20 years in prison?
Why do they kill the innocent and save the rapeist?
The world never fails to amaze me....
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05-14-2008, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by naturemomma
Viking,
That's rediculous to think you can take a way a woman's rights....
My neice just informed everyone that she is pregnant.. SHe is in her early 20's, thought she was involved in a serious relationship, was on B/C, the pill and used a condom - got pregnant. SHe is keeping it, with no support from the father. But had she decided to have an abortion, I would have been the one holding her hand. Her mother is pro-life and would never have forgiven her. I, on the other hand, am also pro-life, but a woman's right to choose comes first. Sorry, that's just the reality. No one has the right to take away someone's choice. No matter what they believe.
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tink bout it,,,,what woodes God has done????????den when yu is a convicted of moider in da foist,,what it shoode be,,,,tell me howe yu like it in the fires of hell,,,,,,, 
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