No NOYB my sons were big jocks. They have a group of 30-40 male friends , with inner circles of 10-12 guys. The football basketball and baseball teams really.

They are all now in their late 20's fast approaching 30 and only one of the circle has gotten married and had a child.

Another young man does have a child with a girl he did not marry.

So two kids from a large group of young men says to me they have learned to use condoms well.

In fact when the group was in college their night stands held boxes of condoms as do they now in their after college lifes. ...........I know this because I do a lot of cleaning in those bachelor pads.

its a fact that my two sons rather large group of friends love women and chasing women is what they do in their spare time. They catch a lot of them. The fact that most of these young men have not fathered children is a testament to their use of condoms.

Not only did this generations parents push them, they were pushed at school. It worked.

After all not only do they prevent pregnancy they can prevent creepy crude that ajax won't wash off. Young men now days know that.

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its true the courts can be unfair to fathers at times.
perhaps I'm just overly optimistic, but I think its a rare occurance for people to marry someone who would mistreat them in that way. at the very least that marriage needs to be ended.
part of being responcible when it comes to reproduction is ensuring your partner and you have the same views about how to handle a pregnancy should one occur (and finding this out before the relationship becomes sexual)

every thing I've ever learned in school is that the frontal lobes are not formed enough to feel pain until week 14. I admit two of the books I used are copy-righted 2005 and 2003- the others I do not remember.
every article- reliable article- I've read concurs with the 14 week fact.

Didn't we already talk about this and you were shown wrong Wolf?

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

Dishonest marmalade. The personhood of the unborn is now a matter of established legal precedent and case law.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

The Court has yet to rule. Abortion is legal.

Hopefully not legal for long.

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

Abortion: A personal decision, not a legal debate.
Therefore, it should be legalized. You don't like 'em, don't get one, advise against them, but every woman should have the right to one. Yes, the patient maybe a bit irresponsible for having sex, and not being able to care for a child. Is that anyone else's business? No. I agree with the creator of the thread. Get off of it. It's no one's business but the mother's.

It's no one's business if a baby is about to get murdered?

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

A baby, as in a cluster of cells in a woman's womb?
Give me a fuckin' break.

I strongly disagree, and would protest after birth abortion, but when it's so premature that it's not even humanoid, it isn't your business.

I will repeat: It is a personal decision, not a legal debate.

DCGutz:

I will take more seriously rightard complaints about "murdered babies," the next time I see a sanctimonious, male rightard who has one chance in hell of getting laid, anyway.

Otherwise, it is all no-dick males bloviating about things they will never have to deal with.