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Actually I believe in choice. The choice to utilize birth control, the choice to engage in sexual activity, the choice to end an unintended pregnancy. You and organized religion want to remove those choices.
Churches preach that the use of birth control measures are against God's will, and that sex should only be allowed between a married man and woman (considering the adultery rates, thats a real joke), and that ALL abortion is a sin.
I just love all the religious freaks running around with the neighbors wife, getting drunk, or high, and lusting after the topless girls, down at the Men's Club, then praying for forgiveness at Sunday services, week after week. Yeah, you guys are a real hoot.
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Like how you turned it to just a religous thing. I don't go to churrrrrrrrch. So your for choice choice choice then you should be for the man having a choice weather mom is going to abort THEIR CHILD. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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03-20-2008, 11:11 PM
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Like how you turned it to just a religous thing. I don't go to churrrrrrrrch. So your for choice choice choice then you should be for the man having a choice weather mom is going to abort THEIR CHILD. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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In a perfect world, it would be a joint decision. As would a husband having a vasectomy, or a wife having her tubes tied, but as things stand it remains, under the law, an individual choice. I would say that any of those things being done, against the partners wishes would be a relationship breaker.
As for disposition of property, it pretty much depends upon how long the couple has been together. Now my wife never worked, and we were married for 40+ years. She would have been entitled to half of my net worth. Rightfully so, in my opinion. Courts usually hold that what you bring to the union is yours, what she brings is hers, and what you acquire together belongs to both of you. If there are children, child support will be awarded, alimony is becoming more and more a temporary award, if granted at all.
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03-21-2008, 12:58 AM
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There is absolutely no credible scientific evidence to say that a fetus is not alive or human. And I do not bring up religion when I argue, as it is irrelevant. Although I am Athiest.
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03-21-2008, 03:28 AM
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Ok wyatt so you get married and your wife gets pregnant you planned it, but then your wife changes her mind a month or two later with out telling you and takes it upon herself to go have an abortion with out even talking to you. But then if you go out and fuck some other woman (with your dick) she can divorce you and GET HALF> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm why is that after all IT'S YOUR DICK NOT HERS.
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hopefully no one would marry someone who would ignore their feelings in that way.
men may need to be there for the fertilizing part of parenthood, but unlike females they can't walk away from the pregnancy or labor. and more often than not its the females who do most of the parenting when a male feels like he doesn't want to be a father- the courts only make you pay child support, not actual parent your offsrping.
I don't think most men fear their wives will abort behind their backs. and if they do they may not want to stay married to her.
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There is absolutely no credible scientific evidence to say that a fetus is not alive or human. And I do not bring up religion when I argue, as it is irrelevant. Although I am Athiest.
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it about your definition of life and human.
something with no brain, no higher functioning, no awareness, and is dependent on another being isn't what most people would classify as human life. and many wouldn't choose a being such as this over a being that is alive, has a brain, has high mental fuctioning, conscious awareness, and isn't dependent on someone else to survive.
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03-21-2008, 03:55 AM
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hopefully no one would marry someone who would ignore their feelings in that way.
men may need to be there for the fertilizing part of parenthood, but unlike females they can't walk away from the pregnancy or labor. and more often than not its the females who do most of the parenting when a male feels like he doesn't want to be a father- the courts only make you pay child support, not actual parent your offsrping.
I don't think most men fear their wives will abort behind their backs. and if they do they may not want to stay married to her.
it about your definition of life and human.
something with no brain, no higher functioning, no awareness, and is dependent on another being isn't what most people would classify as human life. and many wouldn't choose a being such as this over a being that is alive, has a brain, has high mental fuctioning, conscious awareness, and isn't dependent on someone else to survive.
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I have never quite met a person with such a twisted way of looking at things and have an excuse for everything. Many of the damn courst don't give two shits about the dad and give custody to the mom when the dad is fighting for custody. Ya little dream maker there are plenty of moms out there that don't want to be mom either. No one marries someone knowing that shit will happen they find out after. But no matter the guy has no choice so stop bitching about taking it away from the woman.
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03-21-2008, 05:49 AM
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Well if your smart and don't want to get married you should learn to love those condoms.
I have two sons now late 20 somethings and condoms are always the norm among them and their friends. First of all who would be stupid enough to trust a girl to really be on the pill. Girls have been trapping men with oops pregnancies for centuries. Any smart man learns to love a condom.
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03-21-2008, 07:09 AM
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Why the fuck does any guy bother arguing about abortion any way's? it is real simple, keep it in your pant's, end of disscussion.
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Why did people who didn't own slaves, or weren't slaves, bother worrying about people who did have slaves? Why bother to fight to end the poll tax denying poor blacks their right to vote if you aren't a poor black or don't depend on poor blacks to keep you in office? Why bother arguing about giving women the right to vote if you aren't a woman? Why worry about anyone being denied their rights so long as it isn't your righs being denied? Is that really your position with regards to all human rights, or just this one right?
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And why in the hell would a guy have a negative opinion about a women having an abortion?
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Do you not hold a negative opinion people who kill others for personal reasons?
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What bussiness is it of your's anyway's? who the hell made you the savior of the world?
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So you think that we should just excuse all killing? After all, most murders, and cases of manslaughter have nothing at all to do with you and therefore, according to you, it is none of your business.
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03-21-2008, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
hopefully no one would marry someone who would ignore their feelings in that way.
men may need to be there for the fertilizing part of parenthood, but unlike females they can't walk away from the pregnancy or labor. and more often than not its the females who do most of the parenting when a male feels like he doesn't want to be a father- the courts only make you pay child support, not actual parent your offsrping.
I don't think most men fear their wives will abort behind their backs. and if they do they may not want to stay married to her.
it about your definition of life and human.
something with no brain, no higher functioning, no awareness, and is dependent on another being isn't what most people would classify as human life. and many wouldn't choose a being such as this over a being that is alive, has a brain, has high mental fuctioning, conscious awareness, and isn't dependent on someone else to survive.
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Of course you ignore the fact that they can feel by 9 weeks, and think sometime around then.
I really don't mind if someone has an abortion if it's less than 9 weeks.
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03-21-2008, 01:46 PM
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Of course you ignore the fact that they can feel by 9 weeks, and think sometime around then.
I really don't mind if someone has an abortion if it's less than 9 weeks.
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Oh, you don't mind... Well thank you for your permission if I should ever need it Maniac..   |
03-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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There is absolutely no credible scientific evidence to say that a fetus is not alive or human. And I do not bring up religion when I argue, as it is irrelevant. Although I am Athiest.
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There doesn't need to be. It is assumed. According to Palerider, what IS the issue, is the status of PERSONHOOD of the fetus. He claims the Court will overturn Roe on the basis of personhood, and personhood status remains a philosophical opinion.
All pertinant information on the challenge to the abortion right can be located in the early posting of the threads. What's being discussed now is fluff and fun.
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