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Old 03-17-2008, 09:11 AM
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Margerat Sanger was the founder of The American Birth Control League. The purpose of birth control in her thinking was to decrease the birth rate of "undesirables and inferior racial stock" She once gave a speech to the Ku Klux Klan in New Jersey in which her premise was that "Negros and lower class immigrants" would dilute the racial purity of America. This was at a time when eugenics was a wide spread belief. Sanger sold her birth control ideas on the basis that "girls just want to have fun" and they should be able to have control of their bodies and not get pregnant. The real purpose was to keep the underclasses from breeding.

Fast forward to now. Planned Parenthood is the new name for The American Birth Control League. Planned Parenthood is the leading proponent of abortion in America today. Most of Planned Parenthood's facilities are in lower class African American neighborhoods. African Americans make up approximately 12 percent of the population but account for 37 percent of all abortions in this country. The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta states that over 510 out of 1000 African American pregnancies end in abortion. Over 10 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade. One reason given for the legalization of abortion is that it will "stop child abuse" by not allowing unwanted infants to be born. The theory is that unwanted infants turn to crime, drugs and poverty. Given the indisputable fact that African Americans disproportionately fit that description just exactly who are the aboritonist attempting to "save' by eliminating entire generations?

So, who is displaying racism? The group that wants to continue a practice that has elminated 10 million African Americans (even Hitler only killed 6 million Jews) or conservatives who want the practice to be curtailed or even eliminated?
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:30 AM
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No.

That some have used it as a tool for such purposes does not make it racist by default.

Racists have used the Bible to support their views. Should we ban the Bible because of that Nathan?
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:34 AM
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No.

That some have used it as a tool for such purposes does not make it racist by default.

Racists have used the Bible to support their views. Should we ban the Bible because of that Nathan?
The Bible was not created specifically for the purpose of elminating "undesirables or inferior people" Abortion was. African Americans are disproportionately affected by abortions and this is being used to decrease the black population. You can spin this anyway you want but the facts remain that this is true.
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The Bible was not created specifically for the purpose of elminating "undesirables or inferior people" Abortion was. African Americans are disproportionately affected by abortions and this is being used to decrease the black population. You can spin this anyway you want but the facts remain that this is true.
No, that isn't true Nathan. Abortion has been used since ancient times, for a variety of reasons.

You are the one "spinning" here Nathan, not me.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:47 AM
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The Bible was not created specifically for the purpose of elminating "undesirables or inferior people" Abortion was. African Americans are disproportionately affected by abortions and this is being used to decrease the black population. You can spin this anyway you want but the facts remain that this is true.
BULL SHIT. No one is forcing blacks, or poor whites, to have abortions. Hell, if the males would step up and accept responsibility, I bet abortions in the black, and poor white, community would drop.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:15 AM
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BULL SHIT. No one is forcing blacks, or poor whites, to have abortions. Hell, if the males would step up and accept responsibility, I bet abortions in the black, and poor white, community would drop.
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This may be true but the fact remains the forerunner of Planned Parenthood was created specifically to reduce the number of blacks and immigrants. That was the stated purpose of eugenics and Margerat Sanger was a huge proponent of eugenics.

Also, why are blacks and poor whites not accepting responsibility today? The number of two parent black households was higher in the 1950's than today. Why? The fact that welfare rules have created a culture in which having a male around the house is uneconomical wouldn't have anything to do with it would it? Why should the males take responsibility when the state is doing that for them.

A certifyable result of abortion today is the reduction of African Americans being born and the same arguments used to promote birth control are being used to promote abortion.

As far as abortion being around forever, yes that is true, it has but it was primarily limited to the upper classes until Planned Parenthood got into the act. Now, once again it must be pointed out that according to the CDC over half of all African American pregnancies end in abortion.
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This may be true but the fact remains the forerunner of Planned Parenthood was created specifically to reduce the number of blacks and immigrants. That was the stated purpose of eugenics and Margerat Sanger was a huge proponent of eugenics.
Many worthwhile groups have some rather dubious beginnings. I'm not so upset about why groups begin, but rather what they accomplish and become.

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Also, why are blacks and poor whites not accepting responsibility today? The number of two parent black households was higher in the 1950's than today. Why? The fact that welfare rules have created a culture in which having a male around the house is uneconomical wouldn't have anything to do with it would it? Why should the males take responsibility when the state is doing that for them.
Sounds like a valid argument to do away with most of the social services currently offered to the poor and under privileged, or at least scale them back to the aged and disabled, only.

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A certifyable result of abortion today is the reduction of African Americans being born and the same arguments used to promote birth control are being used to promote abortion.
Are you saying that the concept of not having children until you can afford them should be tossed out, in order to increase the black population?

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As far as abortion being around forever, yes that is true, it has but it was primarily limited to the upper classes until Planned Parenthood got into the act. Now, once again it must be pointed out that according to the CDC over half of all African American pregnancies end in abortion.
If so many pregnancies are ending in abortions, maybe its time for that segment of society to learn about birth control devices. They do work, and some even prevent the spread of STDS. Saw an article the other day about the number of American teens with active cases of an STD. It was 1 in 4 for females.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:16 AM
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Many worthwhile groups have some rather dubious beginnings. I'm not so upset about why groups begin, but rather what they accomplish and become.

I am saying that this group has not changed its real mission. How can you see the argument regarding elminating pregnancy because the child might be a killer as anything other than a racist statement? If a Republican said lets stililize all poor black women because they have welfare babies the libs would go bonkers. They say lets talk them into having abortions and that is ok


Sounds like a valid argument to do away with most of the social services currently offered to the poor and under privileged, or at least scale them back to the aged and disabled, only.

I have long be a proponent that welfare and any other government assistance should be graduated and not all or nothing as it is today. By allowing welfare receipents to maintain some benefits while they get out of the hole would give more incentive to get a job that might not have insurance or other benefits. There is no incentive today to do that.



Are you saying that the concept of not having children until you can afford them should be tossed out, in order to increase the black population?
I am saying that abortion today appears to be a racist tool


If so many pregnancies are ending in abortions, maybe its time for that segment of society to learn about birth control devices. They do work, and some even prevent the spread of STDS. Saw an article the other day about the number of American teens with active cases of an STD. It was 1 in 4 for females.
How is that "segment of society" unaware of birth control? Its taught in school, its advertized on television, stories are written about it in various teen magazines. No, the issue is not ignorance of birth control, its a culture in which males are saying using a condom makes them less a man. Its a culture that devalues chasity and self control. Birth control knowledge has nothing to do with it.
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How is that "segment of society" unaware of birth control? Its taught in school, its advertized on television, stories are written about it in various teen magazines. No, the issue is not ignorance of birth control, its a culture in which males are saying using a condom makes them less a man. Its a culture that devalues chasity and self control. Birth control knowledge has nothing to do with it.
Please stop typing your reply's in the quote block, it makes them difficult to reply to. So I will, now, and in the future ignore those comments. See I can be lazy, too.

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No, the issue is not ignorance of birth control, its a culture in which males are saying using a condom makes them less a man. Its a culture that devalues chasity and self control. Birth control knowledge has nothing to do with it.
If thats the case, then the culture needs to be changed. But I'm not going to blame PPH for trying to improve the lives of people who should know better already.

Personally, I think you are objected because of emotional religious reasoning, rather than any concern for the black, or poor community.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:16 PM
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Nope. Not a racist construct.

Cranky & Teak got it right.

The history goes way back, long before Sanger:

"The first recorded evidence of induced abortion is from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus in 1550 BC.[3] A Chinese record documents the number of royal concubines who had abortions in China between the years 500 and 515 BC.[4] According to Chinese folklore, the legendary Emperor Shennong prescribed the use of mercury to induce abortions nearly 5000 years ago.[5]"


Thanks Wiki.......
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