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Old 03-13-2008, 12:23 PM
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Details of human hybrid clone revealed

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The embryo clone: A collection of stem cells produced using nuclear transfer
Details of the first hybrid human embryo clone have been released.

The watershed achievement in biotechnology actually happened last November, but more information was revealed on Thursday. It was achieved using a cell from a man's leg and a cow's egg.

The scientists who created the clone see it as a significant step forward in the search for a way of producing human stem cells.

These are "master" cells that can develop into any type of cell - skin, bone, blood, etc. They are believed to have the potential to provide perfect-match tissue for transplantation and the treatment of diseases such as Parkinson's.

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But this development will also see a significant heightening of the debate over the ethics of human cloning and, indeed, what it means to be a human.

Advanced Cell Technology (ACT), a leading, private biotechnology company, made the first human embryo clone and let it develop for twelve days before destroying it. In a normal pregnancy, an embryo implants into the womb wall after 14 days.

Dr Robert Lanza, ACT's director of tissue engineering, told the Daily Mail newspaper that the embryo could not be seen as a person before 14 days. The company said it had released news of the discovery to try to allay fears over the artificial conception of life.

It is believed that many more hybrid embryos have been created in the same way and destroyed since November.
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An artist's concept of what a human-dog hybrid might look like. The strange creatures are part of a sculpture by Australian artist Patricia Piccinini entitled "The Young Family," produced to spark reflection on the perils of creating human-animal mixtures.

Human-animal mixing going too far, report says

Human-animal mixing going too far, report says

Aug. 9, 2006
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Scientists are going too far in creating mixed human-animal organisms, a Scottish organization is warning.

The Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, a professional group based in Edinburgh, has published a report on the ethical implications of the practice in the journal Human Reproduction and Genetic Ethics. The report is online at Scottish Council on Human Bioethics.




“Crossing the human species barrier is a procedure that has always fascinated humanity,” noted the report, made public Tuesday and written in light of draft legislation on human embryology being prepared by the U.K. Department of Health, to be published this summer.

Ancient Greek mythology speaks of monsters such as the Minotaur—a man with a bull’s head—and centaurs, mixtures of humans and horses.

But creatures of this nature may not remain confined to mythology for long, as scientists have begun tentatively creating mixed organisms. An array of experiments have produced animals with some human cells, for instance.

Such procedures “mix human and animal biological elements to such an extent that it questions the very concept of being entirely human,” the report said. This raises “grave and complex ethical difficulties.”

Some ethicists worry that the experiments might force society to make confounding decisions on whether, say, a human-chimp mix would have human rights. Other concerns are that such a creature could suffer from being outcast as a “monster,” from having a chimp as its biological father or mother, or from unusual health problems.

Some inter-species mixtures are powerful research tools, the report said.

This “became clear about a decade ago in a series of dramatic experiments in which small sections of brains from developing quails were taken and transplanted into the developing brains of chickens. The resulting chickens exhibited vocal trills and head bobs unique to quails, proving that the transplanted parts of the brain contained the neural circuitry for quail calls. It also offered astonishing proof that complex behaviours could be transferred across species.”

Later research has spawned human-animal creations, the report said. These usually die at the embryonic stage, but often survive if the mixtures involve only a few cells or genes transferred from one species to another.

The council cited the following examples:

In 2003, scientists at Cambridge University, U.K. conducted experiments involving fusing the nucleus of a human cell into frog eggs. The stated aim was to produce rejuvenated “master cells” that could be grown into replacement tissues for treating disease. It was not clear whether fertilization took place, but “some kind of development was initiated,” the report said.


In 2005, U.K. scientists transplanted a human chromosome into mouse embryos. The newly born mice carried copies of the chromosome and were able to pass it on to their own young.


The company Advanced Cell Technologies was reported, in 1999, to have created the first human embryo clone by inserting a human cell nucleus into a cow’s egg stripped of chromosomes. The result was an embryo that developed and divided for 12 days before being destroyed.


Panayiotis Zavos, the operator of a U.S. fertility laboratory, reported in 2003 that he had created around 200 cow-human hybrid embryos that lived for about two weeks and grew to several hundred cells in size, beyond the stage at which cells showed the first signs of developing into tissues and organs.


In 2003, Hui Zhen Sheng of Shanghai Second Medical University, China, announced that rabbit-human embryos had been created by fusing human cells with rabbit eggs stripped of their chromosomes. The embryos developed to the approximately 100-cell stage that forms after about four days of development.
The council made 16 recommendations, including that it should be illegal to mix animal and human sperm and eggs, or to create an embryo containing cells consisting of both human and animal chromosomes.

“The fertilisation of animal eggs with human sperm should not continue to be legal in the U.K. for research purposes,” said Calum MacKellar, the council’s director of research.

“Most people are not aware that these kinds of experiments have been taking place in the U.K. and find it deeply offensive. Parliament should follow France and Germany and prohibit the creation of animal-human hybrid embryos.”

In a report published in 2004, the President’s Council on Bioethics in the United States also advocated prohibiting the creation of animal-human embryos by uniting human and animal eggs and sperm. A draft law introduced in U.S. Congress by Senator Samuel Brownback (R-Kan.) would outlaw the creation of human-animal mixtures.

A 2005 report from the U.K. House of Commons Science and Technology Committee takes a more liberal stance, saying such embryos could be legal for research purposes if they are destroyed within 14 days.

“While there is revulsion in some quarters that such creations appear to blur the distinction between animals and humans, it could be argued that they are less human than, and therefore pose fewer ethical problems for research than fully human embryos,” the committee wrote.
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[quote=wvpeach;337035]Would you abort this?

OMG, that would be a tough decision....
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Me too Lexi.

I am personally against abortion.

Would never consider having one myself.

But what if in the future they decide animal genes mixed with humans make for a healthier population. Just like vaccines they require all pregnancies to get a dose of the anti disease, animal mix genetics they have come up with. Don't worry they tell you, only one in a thousand pregnancies results in a mess like in the picture above. We'll give you tests and alert you early in pregnancy so you can abort if the animal part looks to be more dominant.

What would you do then?

Have a baby that was destined to be a outcast and a mess?

Worse yet for me, is my faith in God. Its clear that baby would not have been designed by God.
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Me too Lexi.

I am personally against abortion.

Would never consider having one myself.

But what if in the future they decide animal genes mixed with humans make for a healthier population. Just like vaccines they require all pregnancies to get a dose of the anti disease, animal mix genetics they have come up with. Don't worry they tell you, only one in a thousand pregnancies results in a mess like in the picture above. We'll give you tests and alert you early in pregnancy so you can abort if the animal part looks to be more dominant.

What would you do then?

Have a baby that was destined to be a outcast and a mess?

Worse yet for me, is my faith in God. Its clear that baby would not have been designed by God.

I think in if I were put in a situation like this I would definately abort it. I love kids and dogs but there's no way I would put either one through something like this. This is unreal....
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I imagine it gets way worse than this Lexi.

These evil creeps are not about to let it get out what their real plans are.

You can bet they are after what Hitler was . To create a race of super humans.

it will just be tough for those of us who do not meet the criteria they set up for super humans they won't want us to breed anymore.
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that human dog pic is fucking awesome
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Would you abort this?

OMG, that would be a tough decision....
Why? You don't have any problem at all with killing human beings, why would you waver at killing non humans?
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I imagine it gets way worse than this Lexi.

These evil creeps are not about to let it get out what their real plans are.

You can bet they are after what Hitler was . To create a race of super humans.

it will just be tough for those of us who do not meet the criteria they set up for super humans they won't want us to breed anymore.
I am surprised that you would be opposed to this. It is the logical progression from the roe decision. The justices wrongly decided that unborn human beings were not, in fact, human beings. Since the courts said that they were not human beings, the door was opened for human experimentation. It was inevetable that if allowed to experiment without restraint on human beings that eventually one scientist or another would attempt to create a transgenic creature that was at least part human.

You support the idea that unborns are not human beings and therefore may be experimented on as any scientist sees fit, why would you have problems with the logical result?

Legalizing abortion, without a doubt, cheapened human life. When human life is devalued, then it becomes acceptable to experiment. You are apparently appaled that hitler experimented on human beings, but he restricted his experiments to jews who, according to him, were not really human beings. These scientists who are performing experiments that apparently sicken you are only able to do them because of the devaluation of unborn human beings. If their right to live was protected by the 14th amendment like yours, then no such experimentation would be possible.
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