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Old 03-13-2008, 11:46 AM
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For the religious among us.

If you know and read the bible. Its clear that women have been having abortions almost since the time we started to walk the earth. Killing ones own children, sexual immorality, murder, the bible is full of all these things.

It is also clear if you read the bible that things will only get worse and worse till the second coming of Christ.

In fact it says if God doesn't send Christ back when he does, "all flesh will be lost. " Meaning the world will be about to kill every human being one way or the other just before Christ returns.

The bible also clearly says that governments of men will always be corrupt and killing the people they govern.

So people who think they can legislate morality and pass laws to stop sin are being deceived by Satan. Or just totally don't believe the bible.

Which are you pale rider? Are you deceived? Or do you just not believe the bible?
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:31 PM
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That brings us to a question pale rider seems to avoid .
He answered the questions you asked of him and you said you would answer his - you lied. You haven't answered one of his you lying cunt.

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But I will await your answers to my questions above palerider.
Why shoudl he answer any more from you when even after saying you would answer his you still didn't? Why do you lie so much Billy, Jesus doesn't like liars.

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That being said.

Pale rider seems to refuse to give his reasons for being against abortion.

But it boils down to this. One either believes in God and the bible or not.

Atheists don't have a problem with abortions , except rarely. As Atheists believe we each should do our own thing and not force our religious morality on each other.

Pale rider will have to explain to me if he is a Atheist why he cares about abortion.
What does it matter what his religious beliefs are? how are they relevant in in any way?

Who are you to say atheists only rarely have a problem with abortions and what would it matter if it wre true anyway?

Maybe you should explain why his religion is relevant you ignorant fucking hillbilly. The reason you want him to answer somethign as irrelevant as that is so that you can go off on more tangents and make up some more shit about the Bible or Jesus or whatever you are onto next.

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For the religious among us.

If you know and read the bible. Its clear that women have been having abortions almost since the time we started to walk the earth. Killing ones own children, sexual immorality, murder, the bible is full of all these things.

It is also clear if you read the bible that things will only get worse and worse till the second coming of Christ.

In fact it says if God doesn't send Christ back when he does, "all flesh will be lost. " Meaning the world will be about to kill every human being one way or the other just before Christ returns.

The bible also clearly says that governments of men will always be corrupt and killing the people they govern.

So people who think they can legislate morality and pass laws to stop sin are being deceived by Satan. Or just totally don't believe the bible.

Which are you pale rider? Are you deceived? Or do you just not believe the bible?
Again, what does religion have to do with this?

We do legislate morality, we do so all the time. Once again you are wrong.

Just when I think Nazi has surpassed you in stupidity you come along with a series of posts like these, congrats Billy, you are still the dumbest person here.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:29 PM
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Here you go pale rider watch what happens to unused embryos.

YouTube - A Little Known Fact

Thrown in the trash.

Don't you have new people to fight now pale rider?

Birth control pill drug companies should be first on your list.

Then fertility clinics.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:32 PM
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Here you go pale rider , even if couples decide to throw embryos out like trash the doctors say they should be considered special.

Human Embryos Routinely Discarded at U.S. Fertility Clinics

Human Embryos Routinely Discarded at U.S. Fertility Clinics

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by Maria Gallagher
LifeNews.com Staff Writer
September 1, 2004


Philadelphia, PA (LifeNews.com) -- Human embryos are routinely discarded at fertility clinics in the U.S., raising new concerns about the ethics of the in vitro fertilization industry.


A new study by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Rutgers University indicates that 84 percent of clinics throw out "extra" embryos created during in IVF procedures.


As many as 400,000 other embryos are in a kind of icy limbo -- frozen in storage facilities -- likely to die before being implanted in a woman's uterus.


In IVF, multiple embryos are often created to increase the chances that a pregnancy will be carried to term. Sometimes, couples opt to use excess embryos for future pregnancies, or to donate them to other couples wishing to adopt children.


The study showed that 76 percent of clinics offered the adoption option; 60 percent, disposal of the embryos before freezing; 54 percent, disposal after freezing; 60 percent, donation for scientific experimentation; and 19 percent, donation for training doctors.


One of the authors of the study, Arthur Caplan of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said, "There is certainly a lot more ambivalence about what embryos are than I had ever imagined before starting this study. The fact that these practices are so varied shows a lot more division even in groups that work with embryos than we might have guessed."


Clinics that disposed of embryos treated the days-old unborn children like medical waste and often discarded them by means of incineration.


About a third of the clinics surveyed did not dispose of embryos. The majority of those clinics reported that it was not the clinic's policy to dispose of them, while the rest cited religious considerations or state legal restrictions.


Advocates of embryonic stem cell research hope to capitalize on the findings of the study—by encouraging the donation of the embryos for scientific experiments. But a number of bioethicists point out that such embryos should not be considered a resource to be experimented upon.


Observers say the study may intensify the debate over Proposition 71, the California ballot measure that would provide state funding for embryonic stem cell research. The ballot measure is supported by venture capitalists, some members of the Hollywood film industry, and groups that advocate for cures for various diseases.


Supporters of Proposition 71 have seized the opportunity to push for donation of embryos to stem cell research.


"If you can donate life-saving stem cells from a days-old fetus, that is a far greater goal to society than throwing it away in the trash," Fiona Hutton, a Proposition 71 spokeswoman, told the San Jose Mercury News.

But pro-life advocates say such research is unethical -- and dangerous.


"Getting parental consent is not adequate," Jan Carroll of the California Pro-Life Council told the newspaper. "This is not valid consent. Embryos should have their own rights to give consent, and they don't."


Some doctors involved in IVF say they have a moral obligation to produce fewer excess embryos during their procedures.


"Every embryo should be viewed as something more than just a piece of tissue," Dr. Carl Herbert of Pacific Fertility Center in San Francisco told the Mercury News. "Even if couples decide to discard it,it should be considered that it was special."


An estimated 50,000 American women each year turn to IVF in the hopes of achieving pregnancy.


The IVF study, published online by Politics and the Life Sciences, can be found at http://www.politicsandthelifescience...ase/Embryo.pdf
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Old 03-13-2008, 03:17 PM
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I bet Pales going to fumble around putting up a reply to this one...

The pro lifers would rather have them thrown out than use them for stemcell research to help others. It's no wonder some of us think the pro lifers are whackos..
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And palerider since your obviously confused about the fact birth control pills do cause abortions. ( no surprise your confused about a lot it seems)
Exactly what did I say that made you think that I was unaware that birth control pills cause abortions? Bring my quote foreward that led you to believe that I didn't know this.
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:12 PM
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Quote Pale Rider from his post # 58 in this thread: The purpose of the morning after pill is not to prevent conception, but to prevent implantation. Since its purpose is to deliberately cause the death of a child, it is denying that child his or her most basic human right. I have no probem at all with any form of contraception, but abortificients are not contraception, they are abortion.....................Note underline by peach.


Birth control pills are a form of contraception pale rider in case the fact escapes you.

Now how about starting to answer at least a few questions you keep dodging?

How many women in your family have taken or are taking birth control pills pale rider?

Did your own wife use the pill?

If so how many kids of yours do you think were aborted?

Are you telling your daughter and or daughter in laws they can't use the pill?

How many grand kids do you plan on helping to feed pale rider?

Are you willing to take a few babies into your own home to raise if the birth control pill is out lawed?

Are you willing to pay more in taxes to feed all those added babies once the birth control pill I outlawed ?

Those would be good questions for you to start with pale rider. We can go back and get the rest later. Start with answering the questions in this post. You have to start answering questions sometime pale rider or admit you haven't got a clue what your talking about and shut up.
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:20 PM
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I brought your quote forward, now Mr. head in the sand how about going back through the dozens of posts I have asked you questions in on this thread and starting to answer a question or two.

Your constant dodging is telling pale rider. It tells one thing for certain you don't have a clue what your talking about.

I am most interested to know if you believe in God and if you believe the bible.

But I have asked you at least a dozen other questions you just ignore so i don't expect a answer to that one either.

Who are we kidding. Its apparent pale rider makes decisions on what pale rider feels. Your feelings and emotions do not make for rational logical or biblical decisions palerider, let me be the first to clue you in to that fact.



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Exactly what did I say that made you think that I was unaware that birth control pills cause abortions? Bring my quote foreward that led you to believe that I didn't know this.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:44 AM
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Quote Pale Rider from his post # 58 in this thread: The purpose of the morning after pill is not to prevent conception, but to prevent implantation. Since its purpose is to deliberately cause the death of a child, it is denying that child his or her most basic human right. I have no probem at all with any form of contraception, but abortificients are not contraception, they are abortion.....................Note underline by peach.


Birth control pills are a form of contraception pale rider in case the fact escapes you.

Now how about starting to answer at least a few questions you keep dodging?

How many women in your family have taken or are taking birth control pills pale rider?

Did your own wife use the pill?

If so how many kids of yours do you think were aborted?

Are you telling your daughter and or daughter in laws they can't use the pill?

How many grand kids do you plan on helping to feed pale rider?

Are you willing to take a few babies into your own home to raise if the birth control pill is out lawed?

Are you willing to pay more in taxes to feed all those added babies once the birth control pill I outlawed ?

Those would be good questions for you to start with pale rider. We can go back and get the rest later. Start with answering the questions in this post. You have to start answering questions sometime pale rider or admit you haven't got a clue what your talking about and shut up.
The morning after pill is not a birth control pill, Billy.

You haven't answered one of his questions and he answered all of the ones you asked him. You told him if he answered them you would answer his, but you lied.

As far as yoru most recent questions, how fukcing stupid are you? Why would you ask if his wife is on the pill?

You stupid bitch, he asked legitimate questions that you said you would answer and you haven't answered one of them. You keep making these claims but you fool nobody.
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:06 AM
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I am trying to make sense of this thread and who is taking what position. T (BTW Peach, I do not think you are a dumb fucking hillbilly.)

I just want to throw out something at all of you and listen to your beliefs.

Life begins when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. So at this moment of fertilization do some of you believe it is murder to claim life has not begun until the blastocyst is fully implanted in the uterus?

At this moment we have full DNA ,so is this murder to take birth control pills to prevent implantation or the morning after pill which is just high dose BC pills to prevent implantation?

What is your opinion on this?

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