Abortion and the Morning After Pill

wvpeach · #61 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:14 AM

Pale rider,

LOL, your funny in many ways. Except I do not consider irrational emotional thinkers like yourself funny. People like you are why the world is in such a mess.

First of all where is all this scientific evidence you have supplied? I don't see any of it. Except for the following you added to your last post.

"Often,this morula is inaccurately referred to as a ‘fertilized egg’ because the blastomeres remain inside the female parent’s oocyte outer cell membrane. That is an incorrect characterization, because the 23 -chromosome oocyte no longer exists; all the cells within the morula have the unique genome—46 chromosomes and a complement of mitochondrial DNA —of the newly conceived individual life." Moore and Persaud, The Developing Human, 6th ed., (p. 43)
And I suppose your too irrational to understand that this is a incomplete statement. How about a link to the rest of the statement pale rider so it can be viewed in full?

Besides this one half baked attempt at some proof could you please direct me to the rest of your proof pale rider..............................Because i don't see any.

wvpeach · #62 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:20 AM

And palerider since your obviously confused about the fact birth control pills do cause abortions. ( no surprise your confused about a lot it seems)

Let me supply you with a link to Pro Life America You should like this group pale rider they are after the same thing you are. Except they are a lot smarter than you. They know birth control pills its estimated cause 11 million abortions a year in the US, compared to the less than a million that happen in doctors offices. So not being hypocrites like you pale rider they admit to wanting birth control pills outlawed to.

Birth Control Pill Causes Abortions -- Pro-Life America, Celebs expose abortion! Celebrities, Speakers, TV, Radio, Videos and Literature to help save moms and babies from the pain and suffering of abortion. Save sex for marriage and choose life, not

Breakthrough Ovulation Estimates for other "Birth Control" Methods:

1) Norplant has breakthrough ovulation 50-65% of the time.

2) Depo-Provera has breakthrough ovulation 40-60% of the time.

3) The IUD has breakthrough ovulation 100% of the time.

4) With over 17 million American women using the Pill and other chemical abortifacients, it is estimated that breakthough ovulation and pregnany occurs so often . . . that between 7 to 12 million newly conceived children are killed by chemical abortions in the womb each year. And most of these women never even knew they were pregnant.

(Sources for the four points listed under Breakthrough Ovulation Estimates above are as follows: 1) Hilgers, Dr. Thomas, "Norplant" Linacre Quarterly, 1993, p.64-69. 2) "Infant Homicides Through Contraceptives," 1994 by the Study of Abortion Deaths Ad Hoc Commission - Bardstown, KY. Ph: 502-348-3963. 3) ibid. 4) ibid.)

"Birth Control" Pills cause early Abortions

By J.T. Finn (updated April 23, 2005)

Physicians across America -- and around the world -- are now confirming that the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant cause early abortions.

First, a look at the Pill. Research shows that in many cases the Pill causes early abortions -- abortions the mother may not even know she's having. You may find this shocking, but the facts are clear after reading Randy Alcorn's book, titled;

"Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?"

Here's what 11 physicians and medical professionals are saying about the book Randy Alcorn published in 1998:

1. "From medical textbooks and pharmacy references, to statements from the Pill-manufacturers themselves, this book proves, beyond any doubt, the abortion-causing action of birth control pills. This book should be read by everyone interested in knowing the truth."

~ Paul L. Hayes, M.D., Board Certified Fellow of the American College of Obstetricians/Gynecologists

2. "Does the birth control pill cause abortions? Using research results from medical literature, Randy Alcorn has convincingly shown that the answer is `yes.' He has, with care and compassion, given us the truth. The question for us as Christians is how we will respond now that we know."

~ Linda Martin, M.D., Pediatrician
Linda Martin, M.D., Pediatrician

3. "By carefully detailing the available medical information concerning the abortifacient effects of oral contraceptives, Randy Alcorn has developed a logical and thoughtful challenge to every prolife person. The conclusions of this study are scientifically accurate. Birth control pills usually prevent pregnancy, but sometimes they cause an abortion. Questions? Objections? Randy has addressed them in a gentle but firm way. This is the manner in which the often fiery debate over prolife subjects should be carried out- unemotionally, intelligently and quietly. The evidence is before us . . . `How should we then live?'"

~ Patrick D. Walker, M.D., Professor of Pathology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences

4. "In this challenging book Randy Alcorn has the honesty to face a tough and uncomfortable question. This compelling evidence will make you rethink the question of birth control pills."

~ John Brose, M.D., Surgeon

5. "In this impeccably researched book, Randy Alcorn takes an unblinking look at what medical experts know about how birth control pills work. I painfully agree that birth control pills do in fact cause abortions. Our individual and collective Christian response to this heretofore varnished-over information will have profound consequences for time and eternity. This is a disturbing must-read for all who profess to be prolife."

~ Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn

6. "Randy Alcorn has done exceptional work. The facts in this book parallel much of my own research. I am delighted he would undertake such a work when others seek to avoid the subject. This book is a must for Christians, particularly those in medicine and Christian ministries."

~ Karen D. Garnett

wvpeach · #63 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:21 AM

More facts about the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant:

Again, if you're reading about CHEMICAL ABORTIONS for the first time, this may surprise, or even shock you. Most Americans are not aware that the Pill and other chemical "contraceptives" cause millions of "non-surgical" abortions each year in the early weeks of pregnancy. If you are using the Pill, Depo-Provera or Norplant, you need to know the truth about how these products work.

Most women take these "contraceptives" because they don't want to have a baby. But how many women know they can have BREAKTHROUGH OVULATIONS and become pregnant while using these "contraceptives?" Very few! And how many of these women know that if they become pregnant after a BREAKTHROUGH OVULATION, these "contraceptives" will almost always kill any son or daughter they've conceived?

Most people don't know the real facts about how "contraceptives" work. And because of this lack of knowledge, most women are not aware that they may be having BREAKTHROUGH OVULATIONS, and conceiving children that are killed very early in the pregnancy. Women using these "contraceptives" almost never perceive that they have become pregnant, or that chemicals have killed their tiny baby.

wvpeach · #64 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:25 AM

How does the Pill work?

The Pill has three mechanisms of action which can easily be looked up in the Physician's Desk Reference.

1) Sometimes, the Pill suppresses ovulation. When this happens, an egg is not released and conception cannot occur. (It's important to read on and find out about the high rates of breakthrough ovulation. When ovulation is not suppressed, pregnancy can occur.)

2) The Pill also works to thicken the woman's cervical mucus which can "restrict" sperm from moving up the reproductive tract toward the egg.

3) One way the Pill causes early abortions is that it interfers with the flexing motions and the cilia movement of the fallopian tubes. These changes slow the transportation of newly conceived child from the fallopian tubes to the womb.Unfortunately, many small babies starve to death in the fallopian tubes because chemicals caused changes that prevented them from reaching the womb in time to be nourished...........For the less than smart among us,Pale rider in particular, this means birth control pills starve to death newly fertilized eggs.

4) Another way the Pill causes early abortions: If your tiny baby survives the ride down the fallopian tube to your womb, the Pill will almost always cause the endometrium (the lining of your uterus) to reject your child. Chemical reactions often cause the lining of your womb to become thin, shriveled and unable to support implantation of your newly conceived child.

This means that in almost every case, your new child will not be able to attach to the wall of your womb where he or she would normally live, grow and receive nourishment for 9 months. This means your tiny baby will starve to death and his or her remains will be passed along in your next bleeding cycle. (The "Study of Abortion Deaths Commission" estimates that this happens in women in America who use the Pill approximately 1 to 4 million times each year.)

The chemicals that cause these early abortions are called abortifacients which is the medical term for any chemical agent that causes an abortion.

Dom1 · #65 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

You have yet to answer any of my questions.

He answered every one of them.

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Lol, I will be glad to answer your questions pale rider. But, I will answer the questions after you answer some of the questions you have totally ignored.

Liar. You said you would answer his questions if he answered yours and after he did you failed to live up to what you said. Once again you lied, Billy.

Why did you say you would answer his questions when you had no intention of doing so? Great job Billy, I am enjoying watching this.

What would Jesus think of you being a lying bitch, Billy?

wvpeach · #66 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:30 AM

Now pale rider

We have established that birth control pills do cause abortions. If you like this information can be checked and verified by literally thousands of medical texts.

So now you have a new mission in life pale rider. You need to convince every woman on birth control to stop taking them.

Especially the women in your own family pale rider.
Did your wife use birth control? Just think of all the babies of yours that might have been aborted because of that use of birth control pale rider. Think, you might have a dozen more children had your wife not used birth control.

Got a daughter or daughter in law on birth control pale rider? That must stop according to your views. Get ready for dozens more grand children in the pale rider family depending on the size of the family. Can you afford them pale rider?

Dom1 · #67 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:32 AM

You have still not answered his questions, Billy. You said you would, why did you lie? If you can't answer them then just admit you can't, but don't lie about it like you did above.

wvpeach · #68 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:36 AM

That brings us to a question pale rider seems to avoid .

Since you are against all abortions. Good for you. The Catholic church always has said birth control pills were wrong . They agree with your view pale rider.

Its obvious many people will be having a lot more children if people like you pale rider get their way.

That means a return to 10-12 kid families, like in the old days when people listened to the pope. Except if you get your way pale rider, that will be the norm with all families.

So we will have some very poor families with 10-12 kids out there. Which means the government will need to do more to help the poor.

More medical care.

More food stamps.

More welfare.

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is pale rider?

And happily see your taxes go up 20% more to pay for all the new born babies needing help once birth control and abortion is out lawed.

Here is the question you cannot avoid palerider. Are you willing to pay more to take care of all the kids that will be born once you get your way?

Secondly........Are you willing to take a few kids in and raise them yourself?

wvpeach · #69 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:38 AM

I will assume you are willing pale rider to pay more and raise a few kids in your home.

I will assume this because I can't imagine you'd be hypocritical enough to want to see children born, only to starve to death later or die for lack of medical care.

But I will await your answers to my questions above palerider.

wvpeach · #70 (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:41 AM

That being said.

Pale rider seems to refuse to give his reasons for being against abortion.

But it boils down to this. One either believes in God and the bible or not.

Atheists don't have a problem with abortions , except rarely. As Atheists believe we each should do our own thing and not force our religious morality on each other.

Pale rider will have to explain to me if he is a Atheist why he cares about abortion.