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06-26-2008, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexi
I don't even have to try to do that because it shows in every one of your comments. You don't give a damn about the babies , only the control you think you can have over women.
And if you can't see how the hypocrisy just drips from YOUR position then you need some new brain cells dude.
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I don't advocate killing children because they are inconvenient. You do.
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06-26-2008, 03:34 PM
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I don't advocate killing children because they are inconvenient. You do.
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No, you advocate having them abused or killed after they're born and can feel the pain.
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06-26-2008, 05:28 PM
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No, you advocate having them abused or killed after they're born and can feel the pain.
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Are you arguing that when abortion is banned that all children who otherwise would have been aborted will be abused, or even that a large percentage will.
The fact is that child abuse has increased since abortion became legal because it has cheapend the value of life.
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06-27-2008, 06:06 AM
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Are you arguing that when abortion is banned that all children who otherwise would have been aborted will be abused, or even that a large percentage will.
Those are your words , not mine.
The fact is that child abuse has increased since abortion became legal because it has cheapend the value of life.
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No it hasn't increased, it's just reported more often now then it used to be.
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06-27-2008, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexi
No it hasn't increased, it's just reported more often now then it used to be.
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Can you prove that or is it just another one of your uneducated opinions?
The fact is that when something is reported more often it is usually because it is happening more often.
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06-27-2008, 06:14 AM
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Can you prove that or is it just another one of your uneducated opinions?
The fact is that when something is reported more often it is usually because it is happening more often.
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Now that's a very uneducated quote. 
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06-27-2008, 06:28 AM
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Now that's a very uneducated quote. 
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So you can't prove it. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Study after study has linked an increase in child abuse with abortion. If you are interested in learning something (highly doubtful) you might start with these. Do note that they were all published in peer reviewed psychological journals.
1. Ney, P. Fung, T., Wickett, A.R., "Relationship Between Induced Abortion and Child Abuse and Neglect: Four Studies," Pre- and Perinatal Psychology Journal 8(1):43-63 Fall 1993; Benedict, M., White, R., and Cornely, P.,
"Maternal Perinatal Risk Factors and Child Abuse" Child Abuse and Neglect 9:217-224 (1985); Lewis, E.,
"Two Hidden Predisposing Factors in Child Abuse," Child Abuse and Neglect 3:327-330 (1979); Ney, P.,
"Relationship Between Abortion and Child Abuse," Canadian J. Psychiatry 24:610-620(1979).
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06-27-2008, 07:33 AM
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So you can't prove it. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Study after study has linked an increase in child abuse with abortion. If you are interested in learning something (highly doubtful) you might start with these. Do note that they were all published in peer reviewed psychological journals.
1. Ney, P. Fung, T., Wickett, A.R., "Relationship Between Induced Abortion and Child Abuse and Neglect: Four Studies," Pre- and Perinatal Psychology Journal 8(1):43-63 Fall 1993; Benedict, M., White, R., and Cornely, P.,
"Maternal Perinatal Risk Factors and Child Abuse" Child Abuse and Neglect 9:217-224 (1985); Lewis, E.,
"Two Hidden Predisposing Factors in Child Abuse," Child Abuse and Neglect 3:327-330 (1979); Ney, P.,
"Relationship Between Abortion and Child Abuse," Canadian J. Psychiatry 24:610-620(1979).
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Surprise, Surprise... Selective articles are one of your specialites aren't they. Plenty more out there...
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06-27-2008, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
So you can't prove it. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Study after study has linked an increase in child abuse with abortion. If you are interested in learning something (highly doubtful) you might start with these. Do note that they were all published in peer reviewed psychological journals.
1. Ney, P. Fung, T., Wickett, A.R., "Relationship Between Induced Abortion and Child Abuse and Neglect: Four Studies," Pre- and Perinatal Psychology Journal 8(1):43-63 Fall 1993; Benedict, M., White, R., and Cornely, P.,
"Maternal Perinatal Risk Factors and Child Abuse" Child Abuse and Neglect 9:217-224 (1985); Lewis, E.,
"Two Hidden Predisposing Factors in Child Abuse," Child Abuse and Neglect 3:327-330 (1979); Ney, P.,
"Relationship Between Abortion and Child Abuse," Canadian J. Psychiatry 24:610-620(1979).
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Palerider, I agree that abortion does diminish somewhat the value of human life. However, what you are overlooking is that the "terms" for child abuse have changed and starting changing at the same time abortion was made legal.
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06-27-2008, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mulp
Well, can you show any evidence that you care about the health of the fetus or of the child when born, and that your only concern isn't forcing childrn to be born, no matter what the suffering, and the certainty of death?
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Yep.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/477943-post73.html
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