So, you are saying that prior to 2004, all doctors had to....perhaps against their will....be able to perform abortions on demand? Why? Under what circumstances did this happen?


Why would this even be an issue if they truly believe they are human?

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Well, Pale, to be honest, I'm not quite interested enough in this topic to do that kind of research....

But, again, from an medical community-wide perspective...focusing more on the leadership, medical boards, etc....which would have been the bigger money maker....live births or abortions?

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Now what kind of comparison is that? Which indeed is the easier way for anyone to make money, perform the required oath of any true physician...bring harm to no one (the oath, first do no harm) and perform some several hour surgery which intentions are to actually save the life of the subject or conversely merely go into the situation to KILL without having regard to the life of the subject? Obviously the far easier task is to "unskillfully" destroy life than to present the real skill of trying to preserve life as do most "ethical physicians". The lengths that some are willing to go to rationalize the act of premeditated murder. It seems it always amounts to the concern of convenience and $DOLLARS$ and not life itself. And "conservatism" is always charged with the concern of MONEY? Read the posts from any liberally minded person, the COST is always addressed as the paramount concern, be it taxes, defense, or even life itself, it is always measured in the realm of monetary value by the liberal. BD

Again, BD, you are not following the debate very well including the stances of those involved...you just assume and assume...in your own little world I guess. So, who are those around here doing what you suggested above (in bold)?

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Its spelled WORLD not word. And as always you attempt to deflect away from your own stated positions. That being cost efficiency, in comparison to the fact of condoning the act of murder as some righteous medical procedure. What else can anyone conclude....ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND THE CONVENIENCE. BD

Huh???
OK BD....I'll let you in on the discussion, here...since either you are too lazy or incapable of following it.
1) Pale has claimed repeatedly the the scientific community (including the medical community) believes nearly universally that fetuses are human beings the same as you and me...got it.
2) I then asked the question...then why isn't the medical community leadership, e.g., medical schools, state medical boards, etc. using their status to pressure their community in ceasing performing these clear violations of their oath. Logical question, right BD....follow me so far.
3) Pale had several responses, but his first response focused on the money aspect of abortions. Abortions bring in enough money to cause these people to ignore their morality...as money tends to do sometimes.
4) I then questioned that logic....how could all these people...who nearly universally believe that fetuses are people...fall for this. Are they all amoral?
5) Then Sam brought a good point about full-term pregnancies. They would bring in more money to the medical profession than the corresponding abortions. If true, it pokes a hole in Pale's "ignoring my conscience for the money" reason. That is, the medical community leaders do not fight to eliminate abortion from their practice because of the money. There has to be another reason.

Do you understand this now, BD? Do I need to explain this in a different fashion? I was not espousing anything about the personal importance of money. If you knew anything about me, I am one of the least money-oriented people I know. I was trying to logically determine the legitimacy of a point that Pale made. And if you would have no shit read our responses, you would've realized that. READ BEFORE YOU ASSUME!!!!!

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One does not have to Assume anything, when it can be READ and comprehended....in YOUR words, not another's but yours. And these words declared as such in POST 303, AS you can not imagine the cost of nine a month pregnancy being LESS expensive than the much more efficient ABORTION at less cost. POST 302 There is more money to be made in treating a pregnancy than an abortion. That is why "my" retorts on the skill level of merely taking a life that someone has sworn an oath "NOT TO HARM", compared to the skill level and time...there is no comparison to the assembly line abortion clinics as they turn over huge profits compared to the skill and effort required.

And know you are claiming that doctors have the right of murder to make this easy profit, all because some set of judges legislated law from the bench instead of allowing the people to draft such law by way of the representation of the authorized methodology, I.E. the Congress of these United States?

And of course MONEY is of no concern to you, yet your own words deceive you, especially when you are trying to appease SAM, not the actions of a true moderately placed INDEPENDENT as you claim you are. One that denies the actual history of the gestation of our entire legal system being referenced from Blackstone's theories on law, that does very well include a required note to any decree from the Creator, that you falsely stated did not have any reference in our constitution. Which by the way is a set of rights for "we the people", not inversely to be used as to give more power to the central federal government but to place limits thereon.

And the very obvious reason that the medical community accepts the immoral practice of ABORTION is due to the fact that it has been "unrighteously" incorporated into the law of our lands...by opinion only without the will of the people being consulted at all, as they used the constitution NOT TO LIMIT the powerful central government but to further place limits upon "we the people" with new law....drafted from the minds of the judges and not the people. Yes indeed I have read the entire debate, and merely use your own words to define you, in THEIR ENTIRETY, not just on your last "selected" ever changing opinion. BD

OK, I think I understand your problem, BD. You read posts in very singular fashion...and fail to view them as part of an ongoing conversation. Contex is crucial, BD

In my discussion about money and profit, I was referring to others' potential motives...as was Pale and Sam....not our own. Big difference, BD

I am???? Where did I claim this? In fact, I think I was "opining" possibly the opposite is more true.
That's it....I'm not reading the rest of this happy horseshit....I'm too busy. If you didn't understand my explanation in the post above, then anything else I write is going to be a waste of time.

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There was nothing in your description about Pro choice that was honest.

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NO, I WON'T ADOPT UNWANTED BABIES. Palerider

I am saying that there was some reason congress made a law allowing doctors to refuse to perform an abortion and there was a reason that the democrats fought so hard against the law.

For the same reason slavery was an issue. A court decision legally denied the rights that belong to all human beings from a particular group of human beings.

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