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Old 05-05-2008, 11:44 AM
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The supreme court has said more than once that one can not go wrong reading the constitution in the spirit of the declaration of independence which mentions the creator. The constitution is the bylaws by which entity known as the US is to carry out the intent of the declaration of independence which brought the entity known as the US into being.
But, that does not mean that the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land equal to the Constitution. In fact, it is not. Perhaps some of the meaning and intent of the Constitution can be derived from the Declaration of Independence; however, not all ideas....including the idea that are laws and legal systems are derived from a "Creator."
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So, you believe that those individuals that make up each of the 50 state medical boards are relativistic and profit from abortions? I don't know, Pale....seems like at least one in 50 would act in a moral fashion.
No, it is more profitable to manage pregnancy and labor and delivery.

The medical community is in disagreement about abortion and when human life is completely formed and this topic remains a storm of controversy within the medical profession.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:56 AM
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No, it is more profitable to manage pregnancy and labor and delivery.

The medical community is in disagreement about abortion and when human life is completely formed and this topic remains a storm of controversy within the medical profession.
That makes sense, Sam. I know some OBGYNs....and they make some pretty good coin.... I can't imagine an abortion costs nearly as much as a 9-month pregnancy plus delivery and post-natal care.
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That makes sense, Sam. I know some OBGYNs....and they make some pretty good coin.... I can't imagine an abortion costs nearly as much as a 9-month pregnancy plus delivery and post-natal care.
So, life is defined and valued in the convenience presented by the monetary exchange rate? Seems this is all the liberals are interested in, "MONEY", and what it represents. As they "demand" that it should be redistributed via the methodology of governmental mandate, and now they demand that life itself fall to the feet of the measurement thereof. Very pragmatic indeed for a peoples that profess to be paramount in the concern of human life and rights. BD
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So, life is defined and valued in the convenience presented by the monetary exchange rate? Seems this is all the liberals are interested in, "MONEY", and what it represents.
That's right, BD....it's all about the money....GIVE ME MO MONEY!!!!
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As they "demand" that it should be redistributed via the methodology of governmental mandate, and now they demand that life itself fall to the feet of the measurement thereof. Very pragmatic indeed for a peoples that profess to be paramount in the concern of human life and rights. BD
In all seriousness, BD....you don't follow arguments very well. No one here is promoting or saying any of this shit. I asked Pale a simple question...and that is all. I personally have nothing and have had nothing to do with any abortion....no money...no anything. Quit assuming so much and start reading and understanding the arguments presented...and the logic therein.
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But, that does not mean that the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land equal to the Constitution. In fact, it is not. Perhaps some of the meaning and intent of the Constitution can be derived from the Declaration of Independence; however, not all ideas....including the idea that are laws and legal systems are derived from a "Creator."
Yes, but again you are ignoring the referenced source of the wording which was drafted into our constitution, Blackstone's theory of Law. And clearly this referenced source declares as such. No law presented by mankind can directly contradict any direct decree of the "Creator", but if there is no such decree found in relation to any other ideology of man then the legislation has scope to impose their own law. And it is nothing short of sheer idiocy and false representation to declare otherwise. As this nation indeed was founded upon the principles of not only the Creator, but Christianity. As evidenced by examples of precedence in former Supreme Court rulings. BD

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Yes, but again you are ignoring the referenced source of the wording which was drafted into our constitution, Blackstone's theory of Law. And clearly this referenced source declares as such. No law presented by mankind can directly contradict any direct decree of the "Creator", but if there is no such decree found in relation to any other ideology of man then the legislation has scope to impose their own law.
Hi BD,

Then why didn't they just say this when they wrote the Constitution....yet, no word of a "Creator" or his/her/its law. And, when you say "Creator", whose creator? I mean...we need to know that before we decide which laws contradict his/her/its decree. American Indians? Muslim? Hindu? etc.
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And it is nothing short of sheer idiocy and false representation to declare otherwise. As this nation indeed was founded upon the principles of not only the Creator, but Christianity. As evidenced by examples of precedence in former Supreme Court rulings. BD
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So, you believe that those individuals that make up each of the 50 state medical boards are relativistic and profit from abortions? I don't know, Pale....seems like at least one in 50 would act in a moral fashion.
You seemed smarter than this to me storman. Surely you realize that so long as roe stands, a bad decision makes unborns legally something other than human beings in the same manner as a bad decision once made blacks legally something other than human beings. During the time of slavery, you couldn't just unilatarally decide that you recognized the humanity of blacks and rescue them from their owners. If you did, you would certainly lose your case in court.
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But, that does not mean that the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land equal to the Constitution. In fact, it is not. Perhaps some of the meaning and intent of the Constitution can be derived from the Declaration of Independence; however, not all ideas....including the idea that are laws and legal systems are derived from a "Creator."
The DOI does not suggest that laws and legal systems are derived from a creator. The DOI acknowledges that your inalienable rights come from some source other than government and it is government's primary responsibility to defend and protect those rights.
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That makes sense, Sam. I know some OBGYNs....and they make some pretty good coin.... I can't imagine an abortion costs nearly as much as a 9-month pregnancy plus delivery and post-natal care.
An OB/Gyn can only see so many patients and his "coin" comes from the fact that they are repeating patients, at least until the child is born and then that "coin" moves on to a pediatrician.

Doctors who run abortion clinics are operating a slaugherhouse. The women come in through the chute, pass through the styles and exit not to be seen again unless they are returning for the same purpose. The cost per visit is much higher than you would pay to any general doctor for an office visit and the doctor sees more women.
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