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Old 05-05-2008, 06:17 AM
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They don't, but thanks for your concern. That argument was just one more example of the neverending stream of logical fallacy that pours from you. If my wife and daughter both used birth control pills, it would not change the fact that unborns at any stage are living human beings. The fallacy is known as a false dilemma.

Says you, but do you really know everything personal that your daughters do?? I think not.. Unless you keep them under lock and key.

And it would also not change the fact, in your opinion, that they were murderers...
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:23 AM
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Says you, but do you really know everything personal that your daughters do?? I think not.. Unless you keep them under lock and key.

And it would also not change the fact, in your opinion, that they were murderers...
It would not change the fact that unborns at any stage are living human beings and I would be very dissappointed in my daugher if I were to learn that she killed her child. She is strongly pro life and unlike you, she is educated and perfectly aware that unborns are living human beings and aware of which birth control methods have abortifacient effects.
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:40 AM
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It would not change the fact that unborns at any stage are living human beings and I would be very dissappointed in my daugher if I were to learn that she killed her child. She is strongly pro life and unlike you, she is educated and perfectly aware that unborns are living human beings and aware of which birth control methods have abortifacient effects.

And you'd call her a murderer too, right???
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:20 AM
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Because the supreme court said that they weren't human beings and therefore are not killing human beings. There is a bill in congress right now that would allow doctors to refuse to do an abortion if they choose. It is expected to pass easily.
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By the way, the medical community doesn't just "believe" that unborns, at any stage of development, are human beings. They know it and there is, as far as I can tell, universal agreement on the issue. Feel free to provide some actual science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being if you wish to prove that there is any sort of a real argument within the scientific community.
But, you didn't really answer my question, Pale. Why does the medical profession continue to allow licensed doctors to practice abortions? If they do indeed universally believe that fetuses are full-fledged human beings, seems like abortions are a clear violation of the Hippocratic Oath....does it not?
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:31 AM
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Sounds reasonable.

But, you didn't really answer my question, Pale. Why does the medical profession continue to allow licensed doctors to practice abortions? If they do indeed universally believe that fetuses are full-fledged human beings, seems like abortions are a clear violation of the Hippocratic Oath....does it not?
Who says that it is not a violation of the Hippocratic oath? Do your "words" alone validate the practice thereof, as righteous? The truth is there is only a small percentage of practicing physicians whose livelihood is made directly from the practice of killing innocent children. And we are to take the words of the ones that practice such and the supporters of such.....that it is within the confines of the said oath? Really? Again, we are to bend a knee to only your words of ideology? As in fact it does not matter if "every" physician upon the face of the earth considers it a moral action.....there is a transcending authority that declares other wise, the same authority upon which our entire legal system was founded and this nations independence declared as a right, the transcending authority of the "Creator". Its amazing just how many people are quick to bend their ideologies to fit into the "feminine" example of thinking. BD
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Who says that it is not a violation of the Hippocratic oath? Do your "words" alone validate the practice thereof, as righteous? The truth is there is only a small percentage of practicing physicians whose livelihood is made directly from the practice of killing innocent children. And we are to take the words of the ones that practice such and the supporters of such.....that it is within the confines of the said oath? Really? Again, we are to bend a knee to only your words of ideology? As in fact it does not matter if "every" physician upon the face of the earth considers it a moral action.....there is a transcending authority that declares other wise, the same authority upon which our entire legal system was founded and this nations independence declared as a right, the transcending authority of the "Creator". Its amazing just how many people are quick to bend their ideologies to fit into the "feminine" example of thinking. BD
Settle down there, BD. Pale claimed that the scientific community (and I assume that includes the medical community) universally believes that fetuses are human beings....the same as you and me. Then why don't they (the medical boards) start yanking the licenses of those doctors that practice abortions?

And our legal system was NOT founded upon the transcending authority of the "Creator". There is no mention of a "Creator" in the US Constitution. Good try slipping that one past me, BD....
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But, you didn't really answer my question, Pale. Why does the medical profession continue to allow licensed doctors to practice abortions? If they do indeed universally believe that fetuses are full-fledged human beings, seems like abortions are a clear violation of the Hippocratic Oath....does it not?
In a relativistic society, there are always those who will do what they know to be the wrong thing and say "its legal" as if that makes it OK. I am sure that doctors are no different. Those who know it is the wrong thing are the ones responsible for the bill I mentioned above, the relativists will do it so long as it remains legal and profitable and some will continue even after roe is overturned for profit alone.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:35 AM
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And our legal system was NOT founded upon the transcending authority of the "Creator". There is no mention of a "Creator" in the US Constitution. Good try slipping that one past me, BD....
The supreme court has said more than once that one can not go wrong reading the constitution in the spirit of the declaration of independence which mentions the creator. The constitution is the bylaws by which entity known as the US is to carry out the intent of the declaration of independence which brought the entity known as the US into being.
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In a relativistic society, there are always those who will do what they know to be the wrong thing and say "its legal" as if that makes it OK. I am sure that doctors are no different. Those who know it is the wrong thing are the ones responsible for the bill I mentioned above, the relativists will do it so long as it remains legal and profitable and some will continue even after roe is overturned for profit alone.
So, you believe that those individuals that make up each of the 50 state medical boards are relativistic and profit from abortions? I don't know, Pale....seems like at least one in 50 would act in a moral fashion.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:43 AM
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Because the supreme court said that they weren't human beings and therefore are not killing human beings. There is a bill in congress right now that would allow doctors to refuse to do an abortion if they choose. It is expected to pass easily.



Hi PR, I did not read this thread and jumped in on the last 5-6 posts and only have about one minute online. I only saw this comment by you, quoted by SN and not your original comments. I am unclear about this bill because at the present time, physicians are not required to perform abortions .There must be something more to this bill.

I will try to check back in late tonight and read your response.

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