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05-02-2008, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying_Saucie
So that's how long it takes for it all to devolve into ad hominem bickering. Interesting.
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What, exactly does the pro choice side have if not ad hominem bickering? They can produce nothing by way of credible science to support thier position that abortion is not killing living human beings and as a result, are left with nothing but bitter sniping.
Are you pro choice? If so, can you make a rational argument for allowing women to kill their children with no legal consequence for any or no reason?
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05-02-2008, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
What, exactly does the pro choice side have if not ad hominem bickering? They can produce nothing by way of credible science to support thier position that abortion is not killing living human beings and as a result, are left with nothing but bitter sniping.
Are you pro choice? If so, can you make a rational argument for allowing women to kill their children with no legal consequence for any or no reason?
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Im not pro anything but what does credible science have to do with a woman having an abortion. That is an issue that the woman has the right to decide for herself and no amount of credible science will ever change that.
Abortion has nothing to do with killing children.
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05-02-2008, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Alkie
Im not pro anything but what does credible science have to do with a woman having an abortion. That is an issue that the woman has the right to decide for herself and no amount of credible science will ever change that.
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Well that depends entirely upon what she is killing doesn't it? If she is killing a living human being, then she runs afoul of the 14th amendment as was acknowledged in the roe decision.
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Originally Posted by Alkie
Abortion has nothing to do with killing children.
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Of course it does. Can you offer up any credible science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being? I can provide plenty that states explicitly that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Since human beings have the right to live and that right is protected by our constitution, it falls upon anyone who supports abortion to prove in some way that what is being killed is something other than a human being.
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05-02-2008, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
Well that depends entirely upon what she is killing doesn't it? If she is killing a living human being, then she runs afoul of the 14th amendment as was acknowledged in the roe decision.
Of course it does. Can you offer up any credible science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being? I can provide plenty that states explicitly that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Since human beings have the right to live and that right is protected by our constitution, it falls upon anyone who supports abortion to prove in some way that what is being killed is something other than a human being.
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Hey Pale,
Got a quesiton for you. If the medical community so strongly believes that a fetus is a human being, why do they allow doctors to continue performing abortions???
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05-02-2008, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
Hey Pale,
Got a quesiton for you. If the medical community so strongly believes that a fetus is a human being, why do they allow doctors to continue performing abortions???
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Its all about the bucks Bubba. Some pretty large amounts of dollars are exchanging hands when there are on average some 3700 abortions performed daily in this nation. It seems strange that the medical professionals are considered "evil" when anyone addresses a concern about socialized health care, but let the question be presented concerning abortion or stem cell research and these evil profiteers are just angels looking out for the good of humanity....go figure. BD
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05-03-2008, 10:00 PM
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hmmm
For those of you who may not be aware..............
Birth control methods such as IUD, Norplant and even the pill with Progesterone may not work in such a way as you might think.
Those particular forms of birth control do NOT prevent pregnancy but in fact merely cause a monthly abortion if in fact the woman is already pregnant. Yep, read up!
So, before anyone takes the higher road of morality on the abortion issue you might want to consider which form of birth control to use because you might actually be causing a monthly abort instead of actually preventing a pregnancy....
Just some more food for thought people....
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05-05-2008, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
Hey Pale,
Got a quesiton for you. If the medical community so strongly believes that a fetus is a human being, why do they allow doctors to continue performing abortions???
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Because the supreme court said that they weren't human beings and therefore are not killing human beings. There is a bill in congress right now that would allow doctors to refuse to do an abortion if they choose. It is expected to pass easily.
By the way, the medical community doesn't just "believe" that unborns, at any stage of development, are human beings. They know it and there is, as far as I can tell, universal agreement on the issue. Feel free to provide some actual science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being if you wish to prove that there is any sort of a real argument within the scientific community.
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05-05-2008, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tileman
For those of you who may not be aware..............
Birth control methods such as IUD, Norplant and even the pill with Progesterone may not work in such a way as you might think.
Those particular forms of birth control do NOT prevent pregnancy but in fact merely cause a monthly abortion if in fact the woman is already pregnant. Yep, read up!
So, before anyone takes the higher road of morality on the abortion issue you might want to consider which form of birth control to use because you might actually be causing a monthly abort instead of actually preventing a pregnancy....
Just some more food for thought people....
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Feel free to review my posts. I have clearly stated that any birth control method that has an abortaficient effect should be removed from the market.
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05-05-2008, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
Feel free to review my posts. I have clearly stated that any birth control method that has an abortaficient effect should be removed from the market.
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And you speak for every American don't ya Paleass?
If your daughters or wife have ever used birth control pills then they have also killed a baby in your opinion???? Are they murderers too???
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05-05-2008, 06:13 AM
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They don't, but thanks for your concern. That argument was just one more example of the neverending stream of logical fallacy that pours from you. If my wife and daughter both used birth control pills, it would not change the fact that unborns at any stage are living human beings. The fallacy is known as a false dilemma.
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