Abortion and the Morning After Pill

PaleRider · #11 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexi

You're avoiding the issue about scientific facts controlling peoples lives Pale.. I wonder why....

lexi. When did I ever say that scientific facts should control people's lives? Never. I have said that the purpose of science is to tell us what is. Science tells us that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Science doesn't tell us what to do with that information, it only tells us that it is true.

You could take the science for what it is and say "OK paleone, I accept that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved but still believe that a woman should be allowed to kill the child before it is born, without legal consequence, for any or no reason at all."

That would describe your position in an intellectually honest way, and there is little argument that I could put forward. You would be accepting the reality of science and making an honest assesment of your opinion. As it stands now, you deny the science, and fabricate your position based on information that isn't true. That is where the argument comes in. Not over whether or not you believe abortion is OK, but your insistence on arguing that unborns are not living human beings in the face of overwhelming science that says they are even when you are completely unable to provide any science that says that they are something else.

wvpeach · #12 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

Birth control pills don't stop all fertilizations. I have seen statistics that estimate birth control pills starve to death 11 million newly fertilized eggs each year by stopping them from implanting.

You did the right thing Lexi. God sends the soul when a baby is born, not before.

Other wise the use of birth control pills alone would have aborted billions upon billions of uncountable humans over the last 30 years.

God is not allowing that to happen.

People are just too ignorant to understand that.

PaleRider · #13 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

You did the right thing Lexi. God sends the soul when a baby is born, not before.

Got any proof of that? Got any proof of a soul at all? Got any proof that you aren't a human being until you get a soul? Got any proof of anything?

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Other wise the use of birth control pills alone would have aborted billions upon billions of uncountable humans over the last 30 years.

God is not allowing that to happen.

God allowed stalin, and mao, and pol pot, and lenin, and hitler and all of the other despots that have ever lived to kill hundreds upon hundreds of millions. Why do you believe that God would allow all of those hundreds of millions to be killed but not unborn children?

Dom1 · #14 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Birth control pills don't stop all fertilizations. I have seen statistics that estimate birth control pills starve to death 11 million newly fertilized eggs each year by stopping them from implanting.

You did the right thing Lexi. God sends the soul when a baby is born, not before.

Other wise the use of birth control pills alone would have aborted billions upon billions of uncountable humans over the last 30 years.

God is not allowing that to happen.

People are just too ignorant to understand that.

God is allowing children to starve to death, be killed in mass slaughters, and to die of all sorts of diseases, so why wouldn't he allow for people to kill their babies? What is the difference?

Who says that you get a soul only after you are born? It seems to me that you are merely justifying your belief in abortion via religion. In other words (since you have trouble understanding things), you are using religion to say abortion is OK because babies don't have sould until after they get out of the womb.

You are the one who is ignorant and you confirm it with virtually every post.

Dom1 · #15 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

Got any proof of that? Got any proof of a soul at all? Got any proof that you aren't a human being until you get a soul? Got any proof of anything?

God allowed stalin, and mao, and pol pot, and lenin, and hitler and all of the other despots that have ever lived to kill hundreds upon hundreds of millions. Why do you believe that God would allow all of those hundreds of millions to be killed but not unborn children?

Although without a doubt she does read what I post she won't respond to it directly because she is often made to look like a fool, so maybe she will answer your post which is asking and arguing the same things as mine. Or maybe she will take her usual avenue and say that we are the same person and then evade the argument.

Lexi · #16 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

lexi. When did I ever say that scientific facts should control people's lives? Never. I have said that the purpose of science is to tell us what is. Science tells us that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Science doesn't tell us what to do with that information, it only tells us that it is true.

Not all science says we are living human beings from the time of conception. And each person does with that science what is best for THEIR lives.

You could take the science for what it is and say "OK paleone, I accept that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved but still believe that a woman should be allowed to kill the child before it is born, without legal consequence, for any or no reason at all."

I DO NOT ACCEPT that we are living human beings from the time we are conceived Paleone..

That would describe your position in an intellectually honest way, and there is little argument that I could put forward. You would be accepting the reality of science and making an honest assesment of your opinion. As it stands now, you deny the science, and fabricate your position based on information that isn't true. That is where the argument comes in. Not over whether or not you believe abortion is OK, but your insistence on arguing that unborns are not living human beings in the face of overwhelming science that says they are even when you are completely unable to provide any science that says that they are something else.

I don't deny the science but it's a two way street Pale. Some scientists say what you're voicing and some say the opposite of it. And those people do not live our lives , we do, so we must make the decisions what we do with the science. Are you saying the people that take those medicines that the scientists say will kill you are commiting murder? These are human beings too.

Lexi · #17 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 02:41 PM

[quote=wvpeach;334335] You did the right thing Lexi. ]

I have no idea what you mean with this comment.. The article was not about me personally.
I've never had an abortion and probably never will but will fight for the rights of other women that need this option.

wvpeach · #18 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:14 PM

I never thought you had a abortion Lexi. Nor did I mean to imply you did.

Your initial post doesn't contain any link or any reason for me to think it wasn't you a physician talking. I thought to myself wow I didn't know Lexi was a doctor.

By your response here I can see that it was not you talking. Just some generic physician. That you failed to give a link to the original story.

I said the physician was right to give the morning after pill. Nothing more.

wvpeach · #19 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:18 PM

Yes I have proof. But it is a long biblical study. Considering the fact it appears you may not even know we have souls pale rider, I would say it would be a waste of my time to undertake that study with you.

Now if I am reading you wrong and you are a christian and serious about a study of when ensoulment happens, let me know and perhaps we will study it together.

If I am not reading you wrong and you don't believe humans have souls sent from God, then let me ask the following question of you pale rider.

If you don't believe humans are unique and God knew us each before our births, why would you care about abortion or the morning after pill?

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

Got any proof of that? Got any proof of a soul at all? Got any proof that you aren't a human being until you get a soul? Got any proof of anything?

God allowed stalin, and mao, and pol pot, and lenin, and hitler and all of the other despots that have ever lived to kill hundreds upon hundreds of millions. Why do you believe that God would allow all of those hundreds of millions to be killed but not unborn children?

Lexi · #20 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

I never thought you had a abortion Lexi. Nor did I mean to imply you did.

Your initial post doesn't contain any link or any reason for me to think it wasn't you a physician talking. I thought to myself wow I didn't know Lexi was a doctor.

By your response here I can see that it was not you talking. Just some generic physician. That you failed to give a link to the original story.

I said the physician was right to give the morning after pill. Nothing more.

That's OK, I was in a hurry before and didn't really take the time to read your comment correctly. The article came from a friend.