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03-26-2008, 05:42 PM
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If scientific facts prove a fetus is alive and human then the argument is about scientific fact, not about morals, and especially not about religion, you don't make your argument based on religion.
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And you don't try to force others to live by your scientific facts and your morals either.
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03-26-2008, 10:10 PM
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By law it is illegal to have an abortion, becausue a fetus is alive and human, beings that are alive and human, have rights to a number of things, one of them is LIFE.
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03-26-2008, 10:42 PM
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And you don't try to force others to live by your scientific facts and your morals either.
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I would love for you to provide some of "your" scientific facts that says the offspring of two humans is not a human at some point in the womb.
CONFESSION OF AN EX-ABORTIONIST
By Dr. Bernard Nathanson
I am personally responsible for 75,000 abortions. This legitimises my credentialsto speak to you with some authority on the issue. I was one of the founders of the National Association for the Repeal of the Abortion Laws (NARAL) in the U.S.
I am often asked what made me change my mind. How did I change from prominent abortionist to pro-life advocate? In 1973, I became director of obstetrics of a large hospital in New York City and had to set up a prenatal research unit, just at the start of a great new technology which we now use every day to study the foetus in the womb. A favourite pro-abortion tactic is to insist that the definition of when life begins is impossible; that the question is a theological or moral or philosophical one, anything but a scientific one. Foetology makes it undeniably evident that life begins at conception and requires all the protection and safeguards that any of us enjoy. Why, you may well ask, do some American doctors who are privy to the findings of foetology, discredit themselves by carrying out abortions? Simple arithmetic at $300 a time, 1.55 million abortions means an
industry generating $500,000,000 annually, of which most goes into the pocket of the physician doing the abortion. It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence. One must concede that unplanned pregnancy is a wrenchingly difficult dilemma,
but to look for its solution in a deliberate act of destruction is to trash the vast resourcefulness of human ingenuity, and to surrender the public weal to the classic utilitarian answer to social problems.
Confession Of An Ex-Abortionist By Dr. Bernard Nathanson, M.D., Obstetrician and Gynecologist (ObGyn), a clinical associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology, testing member American Bioethics Advisory Commission. Abortion providers, doctors and
Medical Text Books
Essentials of Human Embryology
William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.
"In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. ... Fertilization takes place in the oviduct ... resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed.
Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18.
"[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."
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03-26-2008, 11:45 PM
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Lexi doesn't understand the argument, the argument is by constitution should abortion be illegal, the awnser is yes, because the fetus is both alive and human therefor has a right to live, she does not understand that.
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03-27-2008, 06:34 AM
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Lexi doesn't understand the argument, the argument is by constitution should abortion be illegal, the awnser is yes, because the fetus is both alive and human therefor has a right to live, she does not understand that.
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I understand it very well thank you, I just don't give a fuck about it.
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03-27-2008, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by funktacular
I would love for you to provide some of "your" scientific facts that says the offspring of two humans is not a human at some point in the womb.
CONFESSION OF AN EX-ABORTIONIST
By Dr. Bernard Nathanson
I am personally responsible for 75,000 abortions. This legitimises my credentialsto speak to you with some authority on the issue. I was one of the founders of the National Association for the Repeal of the Abortion Laws (NARAL) in the U.S.
I am often asked what made me change my mind. How did I change from prominent abortionist to pro-life advocate? In 1973, I became director of obstetrics of a large hospital in New York City and had to set up a prenatal research unit, just at the start of a great new technology which we now use every day to study the foetus in the womb. A favourite pro-abortion tactic is to insist that the definition of when life begins is impossible; that the question is a theological or moral or philosophical one, anything but a scientific one. Foetology makes it undeniably evident that life begins at conception and requires all the protection and safeguards that any of us enjoy. Why, you may well ask, do some American doctors who are privy to the findings of foetology, discredit themselves by carrying out abortions? Simple arithmetic at $300 a time, 1.55 million abortions means an
industry generating $500,000,000 annually, of which most goes into the pocket of the physician doing the abortion. It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence. One must concede that unplanned pregnancy is a wrenchingly difficult dilemma,
but to look for its solution in a deliberate act of destruction is to trash the vast resourcefulness of human ingenuity, and to surrender the public weal to the classic utilitarian answer to social problems.
Confession Of An Ex-Abortionist By Dr. Bernard Nathanson, M.D., Obstetrician and Gynecologist (ObGyn), a clinical associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology, testing member American Bioethics Advisory Commission. Abortion providers, doctors and
Medical Text Books
Essentials of Human Embryology
William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.
"In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. ... Fertilization takes place in the oviduct ... resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed.
Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18.
"[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."
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Take your  and shove it... 
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03-27-2008, 06:46 AM
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Take your and shove it...
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Can I use that sometime! I love that! Snappy! 
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03-27-2008, 06:49 AM
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Can I use that sometime! I love that! Snappy! 
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Absolutely, use it all you want to jan.. 
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03-27-2008, 06:54 AM
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Absolutely, use it all you want to jan.. 
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Thanks! 
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03-27-2008, 10:49 AM
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These abortion clinics in the US are in horrible condition. There is no equipment to prevent a mother from bleeding to death.
Abortion Doctors are flunkees, that can not get a job helping the sick.
Abortion clinics are under-funded and it's killing women!
These abortionist are all about keeping abortion legal, but care nothing about the quality of their clinics. Using a clothes hanger in an alley is as safe and much cheaper!
Abortion clinics should be closed until there is proper funding and new standards that are enforced, at the expense of these baby killers.
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