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Old 03-14-2008, 05:37 AM
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He answered the questions you asked of him and you said you would answer his - you lied. You haven't answered one of his you lying cunt.
Sorry guy, that sort of language really isn't necessary. I understand that liars can be particularly frustrating, but that really isn't necessary.

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Why shoudl he answer any more from you when even after saying you would answer his you still didn't? Why do you lie so much Billy, Jesus doesn't like liars.
She clearly wears religion like a coat but doesn't have much, if any, on the inside. People who are genuinely religious, and whose lives are guided by God know that God hates a liar above practically all else. The fact that she lies without compunction is evidence enough that to her, religion is nothing more than a thing she uses for her own purposes

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What does it matter what his religious beliefs are? how are they relevant in in any way?
Logical fallacy on her part.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:50 AM
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I brought your quote forward, now Mr. head in the sand how about going back through the dozens of posts I have asked you questions in on this thread and starting to answer a question or two.
Do you understand how a conversation works? In case the concept escapes you, it goes like this. Either you or I say a thing and then we wait for a reply. Once we get a reply, then we answer and wait for another reply. Posting dozens and dozens of pages, espcially when they are irrelavent, is the equivalent of standing on a table during a dinner party and simply shouting at the top of your lungs for the entire time you are there. I don't have the time to sort through all of your endless bloviation looking for pertinent questions or thoughts. Most of it is nothing more than static.

Try having a conversation and if you aren't up to it, then why bother?

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Your constant dodging is telling pale rider. It tells one thing for certain you don't have a clue what your talking about.
Actually, I have dodged nothing and since you never stop talking, long enough for anyone else to get a thought in edgewise, how would you know whether anyone knows what they are talking about. You clearly aren't interested in having a debate, you are all about talking and talking and talking.

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I am most interested to know if you believe in God and if you believe the bible.
Interesting that you are most interested in the one thing that has nothing to do with my position on abortion. That says a lot about your mindset.

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But I have asked you at least a dozen other questions you just ignore so i don't expect a answer to that one either.
I have answered all the questions that I have seen. I have noted, that to date, you have done very little answering your self. Lots of talking, lots of asking, but nothing but shuck and jive with regard to answering.

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Who are we kidding. Its apparent pale rider makes decisions on what pale rider feels. Your feelings and emotions do not make for rational logical or biblical decisions palerider, let me be the first to clue you in to that fact.
Again with the lies. I have asked before for you to bring forward any point that I have made that represents an appeal to emotion and I am still waiting.

Let me ask. Are you capable of having a rational dialogue? Is it within your mental capacity to have a back and forth conversation without running off at the mouth endlessly?
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:57 AM
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I am trying to make sense of this thread and who is taking what position. T (BTW Peach, I do not think you are a dumb fucking hillbilly.)

I just want to throw out something at all of you and listen to your beliefs.

Life begins when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. So at this moment of fertilization do some of you believe it is murder to claim life has not begun until the blastocyst is fully implanted in the uterus?
There was a time when it was believed that a pregnancy didn't actually start until implantation. It was believed that until the child was implanted, that it was just a thing floating around, so to speak, inside of the woman but no relationship existed between the two. It was thought that pregnancy didn't happen until some sort of relationship existed.

As our technology improved and our knowledge increased, we learned that once fertilization is complete, the child (even as a single celled zygote) begins communicating with its mother chemically. The woman's body begins preparation for implantation as a result of this chemical communication. Very sensitive pregnancy tests can now be done (not ept's) that can detect this chemical communication and hormonal response on the part of the mother before implantation happens. We know now that a relationship exists between mother and child from the time fertilization is complete and not only after implantation.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:02 AM
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I am not clear what all the posters opinions are on this one.
Apparently when vapeach enters, it becomes very difficult to dissern who thinks what. She posts endlesly and doesn't wait for answers before posting endlessly again. She seems to have little interest in actually having a conversation or defending her position. Her tactic seems to be simply to overwhelm the conversation and assume that because every thing she says isn't answered or rebutted, that she has won.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:07 AM
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IFederal law says a pregnancy begins at implantation. So technically, according to the legal definition of when a pregnancy starts, something that prevents implantation would not be considered an abortificiant . . . . . right?
Federal law has not kept up with technology. Of course, that is nothing new. In the 70's when it became necessary for law to state when a pregnancy began, we were unaware of the existence of any actual relationship between mother and child until implantation happened. We now know that from the time fertilization is complete, the child is communicating chemically with its mother and she is answering hormonally. Her body begins preparation for implantation upon that first chemical communication.

The beginning of pregnancy was defined as the point at which the woman's body began to nurture the child. We now know that her body begins that process before implantation by preparing for implantation. When roe is overturned, this will have to be addressed and the law will have to reflect medical fact as we know it.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:11 AM
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Actually the point is that all of us are paying for your actions Pale. That takes money away from kids that are already here. You have a twisted conception of how the world revolves.
The issue isn't about taxes, or what the cost is lexi. If cost is really an issue to you, and you don't believe that we should be supporting unwanted people, then why aren't you in favor of going about killing post natals who obviously aren't wanted, and who are having bad lives, and who aren't contributing anything to society?

Clearly, you aren't really conserned with what banning abortion will cost and your hypocricy is obvious.

This issue is over denying human beings their most basic right and you have yet to prove in even the smallest way that unborns at any stage of development are not human beings.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:44 PM
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The issue isn't about taxes, or what the cost is lexi. If cost is really an issue to you, and you don't believe that we should be supporting unwanted people, then why aren't you in favor of going about killing post natals who obviously aren't wanted, and who are having bad lives, and who aren't contributing anything to society?

Clearly, you aren't really conserned with what banning abortion will cost and your hypocricy is obvious.

This issue is over denying human beings their most basic right and you have yet to prove in even the smallest way that unborns at any stage of development are not human beings.

All I can say about that reply is , you have a fucked up way of looking at things Pale.

And you're the one that said you pay enough taxes already and won't take any of these unwanted kids into your home. That is proof that all you want is control , control , control... Hitler Paleone, the screwed up nutcase.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:51 PM
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List one lie I have told pale rider?

oops I forgot that would be asking you to answer a question truthfully something you seem incapable of doing.

So i will just tell you pale rider. And you can take this to your bank its as good as gold.

I am a servant of the Lord Jesus christ and a beloved daughter of God. I am lucky that way.


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Sorry guy, that sort of language really isn't necessary. I understand that liars can be particularly frustrating, but that really isn't necessary.



She clearly wears religion like a coat but doesn't have much, if any, on the inside. People who are genuinely religious, and whose lives are guided by God know that God hates a liar above practically all else. The fact that she lies without compunction is evidence enough that to her, religion is nothing more than a thing she uses for her own purposes



Logical fallacy on her part.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:54 PM
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Animals do the same thing , God designed it that way.

doesn't mean they have a soul. or are human

But I understand and respect why you feel that way pale rider. I used to feel just like you.

In fact my husband left me during my third pregnancy because I would not have a abortion.

But then God taught me truth.

perhaps what you really need is some good bible study and prayer.

I will be happy to do that with you anytime pale rider.




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There was a time when it was believed that a pregnancy didn't actually start until implantation. It was believed that until the child was implanted, that it was just a thing floating around, so to speak, inside of the woman but no relationship existed between the two. It was thought that pregnancy didn't happen until some sort of relationship existed.

As our technology improved and our knowledge increased, we learned that once fertilization is complete, the child (even as a single celled zygote) begins communicating with its mother chemically. The woman's body begins preparation for implantation as a result of this chemical communication. Very sensitive pregnancy tests can now be done (not ept's) that can detect this chemical communication and hormonal response on the part of the mother before implantation happens. We know now that a relationship exists between mother and child from the time fertilization is complete and not only after implantation.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:56 PM
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Winning never concerns me. For give me if you have that impression of me. I could care less about winning.

All I care about is God's truth. Nothing else matters to me.

So you ask for info I will give you plenty. I don't see why you can't come back later and answer post for post. i would if it involved the truth and word of God.

But perhaps you and I have different priorities pale rider.


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