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03-05-2008, 07:42 AM
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Is Abortion a Right?
Is abortion a right?
Abortion is an inalienable right. Abortion is not a violation of any right, because there is no such thing as the freedom to live inside (or outside) of another human being as a parasite, i.e., against the will of that person.
This principle applies to both fetuses and adults. As a woman has a right to choose who she has sex with (as her body is her property), so is it a woman's right to choose what can and cannot remain inside her body (as her body is her property). As it is evil for someone else to dictate the use of her body by raping her, so it is evil for someone else to dictate the use of her body by forcing her to remain pregnant.
As their is no such thing as the right to live inside another, whether the fetus is removed, because of incest, or rape, or "convenience" does not matter politically—whatever the reason, it is the woman's inalienable right.
Is abortion murder?
Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being, i.e. it is a part of the woman. The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being, such as when "pro-life" terrorists bomb abortion clinics.
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03-05-2008, 07:45 AM
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Abortion is not a Right protected under, either the Constitution or Common Law regarding the Federal Government. In order for it to be regulated or protected or banned by the Federal Government you would need a god damn Constitutional Amendment. Till then, it is legally and Constitutionally; a State's Rights issue when it comes to Legislating Abortion.
Unless of course your one of the idiots who actually believe the nonsense about the Constitution being a living document.
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03-05-2008, 08:10 AM
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Abortion is a medical procedure. Privacy is the right. Us idiots like to say that the Constitution is a living, breathing document.
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03-05-2008, 08:12 AM
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What is the essential political issue concerning abortion?
The essential political question concerning abortion is: does the fetus have a right to be in the body of a woman against the will of the woman? Or: does a woman's body belong to her, or to the government to forcibly dispose of in favor of the fetus?
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03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
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[quote=Lexi;327920]What is the essential political issue concerning abortion?
Majority rules.
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03-05-2008, 05:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi
What is the essential political issue concerning abortion?
The essential political question concerning abortion is: does the fetus have a right to be in the body of a woman against the will of the woman? Or: does a woman's body belong to her, or to the government to forcibly dispose of in favor of the fetus?
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The essential question is the one that the pro choice side of this argument seeks at all costs to avoid. The essential question is "are unborns, at any stage of development, living human beings?" Unless you can first prove that they are something other than living human beings, the rest of your arguments fall flat since you can't form an argument for killing them that you can apply equally to all human beings. Any argument that seeks to single out a particular group from which rights are to be denied is deeply flawed.
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03-05-2008, 06:00 PM
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I find it amusing watching the "liberal two step" in action. One one hand they profess to be "ALL ABOUT" freedoms and rights but on the other hand they claim "their" individual right of privacy allows them to deny the most basic right of another entity, THE RIGHT TO LIVE. "IT'S ALL ABOUT SELF". Yet they want us to buy into their propaganda that no one with common sense can see.
Both "induced abortion" and euthanasia are simply euphemisms for legalized murder. Legalized abortion has taken the hideous act of some third rate "doctor" performing the slaughter of a helpless unborn baby in some cheap backroom, located in the slum section of the inner city, to the highly respected (tax producing) multi-million dollar medical professional in his expensive up-front modern plush medical suite. But the same methodology still produces the same results. In both cases, the static fact is the abortionist is honoring the wishes of the mother to terminate the life of her unborn child. And just as in all cases of the legalizing of the IMMORAL, there must first be the injecting of a new vocabulary and imagery to change the way society views a certain matter. Terms such as "pro-choice", "mothers rights," and "fetus" had to be skillfully introduced to replace "pro-life", "the rights of the helpless unborn," and "baby." Many efforts and much monies have been expended to cause Americans to view the unborn as simply a lifeless and shapeless mass of cellular matter. It indeed is a highly lucrative INDUSTRY, dealing in the human market place and treating life as a piece of meat and a pay check. These fancy "meat" clinics kind'a reminds one of the Nazi death camps, but even they failed to take more innocent lives than those who are supposed be in charge of overseeing said right. And everyone can see the "loonies" reading from the pre-existing script right here. These are not babies inside the mother, they are properties of the body, to dispose of how the owner sees fit. Chuckle, Chuckle
The success of this liberal campaign can be viewed in the stats that have been produced. In all of America's exterior wars, from the Revolutionary war to the war in Iraq, the amount of lives lost to those that are our enemies are in total less than one and half million. However, those that profess to be the ultimate keeper of human rights, the liberal mouth pieces, they are responsible for MURDERING the same amount of human lives each and every year. Now, it is more than oximoronic vocabulary to say RIGHT AND ABORTION in the same breath, as there in no personal right on God's green earth that is paramount to the basic right to live, unless we use the term COLD DAY IN HELL, along with Right to abortion. And many of the same are ACTING OUTRAGED over a few thousand soldiers losing their lives in defending these idiots....should we believe them? Hell anyone that can kill a baby and not blink, but act satisfied, can have no heart, nor love for anything. You see how dense, this line of logic is? Just how gullible does one have to be buy into a line of bull like this? MANIPULATION OF THE GULLIBLE
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03-05-2008, 07:35 PM
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What about the rights of the father?
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03-05-2008, 10:56 PM
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Over factualization
Stop trying to prove an opinion through Science or reason.
Both sides do it.
Its an opinion.
All we know is that it happens... now should we try to stem it or promote it?
This issue is pretty easy to judge as long as you're not coming in black and white. The biggest problem is religious view point and the defensive and passive "its my right" view point. Neither are correct.
I tend to think the more middle of the road Republican view is probably the closest to virtuous. But its just happenstance and not based on the party.
The reason is because its the most virtuous: Noone wants to abort. We shouldn't promote it. We shouldn't force tax payers to pay for it. We should do what we can to prevent it.
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03-06-2008, 03:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rob
What about the rights of the father?
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The only rights the father gets are those the mother gives him, until the birth. Unless, of course, he wants to carry the fetus.
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