I cannot make that distinction. You are looking for a legal calender that becomes arbitrary and artificial and has no relationship to actual life. If something lives, no ruling by man can assign a time to that fact, or say that after so many months it's ok to abort. It's just a salve for their conscience. I'm presupposing that you want me to set a time, that would cover abortion and that is what this is all about? I, personally, take no stand on abortion. It's an individual decision because it is the prospective parents decision and right. When all is said and done and the Dr's and lawyers and courts have left, it's the parents that will foot the bills and lose some of the quality of their lifestyle.

There is only one bright line that can not be rationally questioned and that is the time fertilization is complete. At that time, a new human being exists. At any later date, you won't have a being that is more human or more alive, you will only have a being that is more mature. Clearly, our right to live isn't based on our level of maturity since newborn infants have the same right to live as any fully grown adult.

And taking no stand is taking a stand.

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"the time fertilization is complete. At that time, a new human being exists."

Agreed, but not the start of life.

I am taking a stand not to take a stand ...

Are you suggesting that this new being exists in some third state that is neither alive nor dead? I have looked in the medical textbooks and find no mention of a third state.

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[quote=PaleRider;320516]Are you suggesting that this new being exists in some third state that is neither alive nor dead? I have looked in the medical textbooks and find no mention of a third state.[/QUO


I did not say third state...those are your words
I'm suggesting that life exists in forms that combine to make a human being. The cells that combine to make people are alive prior to combining to form them. Like combining chemicals to produce chemical reactions, combining male sperm and a female egg produces humans and other life forms. The fetus so produced has all the specific DNA, from previous eggs and sperm, read "life", to produce a new individual by combination, so life exists in each egg and spermatzoa prior to combining them.

After fertilization is complete, neither egg nor sperm continues to exist as such. A new individual exists in their place. This individual is is not part of anyone elses body and this individual is alive.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

This "individual" (not,just a sack of blood and cells) is definately a part of someone elses body since it cannot survive on it's own at this stage..

You have one of the least analytical minds that I have ever encountered. Are you really not able to see how flawed your thinking is?

Needing support does not make you a part of the thing whose support you need. If you skydive, you need the support of a parachute since you can not survive without it and yet, you are not part of the parachute and it is not part of you.

If you need assistance breathing due to injury or disease, you are not part of the machinery that is breathing for you and it is not part of you even though your life depends upon it.

The child is not part of its mother's body. Any second year lab student could do a DNA test and positively identify the child as a separate individual.

One more example of your never ending denial of the truth.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

I can clearly see how flawed YOUR THINKING IS.. That is the most far out thing anyone with a brain could say. "the child is not part of it's mothers body". Could a child grow and be born without it's mothers body Pale? Oh but I guess in that tiny little mind of yours the mother is a "machine", is that right Pale? Talk about denial... You wrote the book...

Are you trying to say that during her pregnancy a woman might have two blood types if the child has a different type than its mother? Are you saying that mom is male and female if she happens to be carrying a son? The child's DNA establishes beyond any doubt that it is not part of her body. Deny all you like, but the facts are what they are.

The fact is that the child is a separate individual. Dependent but separate. Fell free to provide some creidible science that states that the child is part of its mother's body if you like. I would be very interested in seeing it.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma