Pale, I must wonder exactly what is this creatures agenda. She argues against every commonly held belief we have in the Bible. She even argued with me at one point that there was no such thing as a Bible. She completely ignores 2000 years of culture and study and when asked how has she arrived at her interpretations claims she got it from the Holy Spirit. Well, if she can get it from the Holy Spirit why cannot Dr Billy Graham or Pope Benedict or those who have made it a life's work to study the word of God also not get it from the Holy Spirit?

I am a simple person who tends to see things in black and white. I believe that God would not have allowed his Word to be written in a confusing manner. I believe the true interpretation of the Bible is in the plain reading of it. If God says "I knew you in the womb before you were born" that is exactly what it means. I don't have to go to the original Greek or Hebrew to understand that statement. God has divinely inspired those who have translated His Word to translate it correctly and precisely to his meaning. Anything else is just God fooling with us "Well, I am going to tell you this but it ain't what I mean".

I honestly believe this woman is a false prophet we were warned against. The evil she is doing will be answered someday. Its not our responsibilty to judge her in the true meaning of the word judge, but we certainly have every right to tell her she is a false prophet.

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Just so you know. I don't read your cut and paste. If you can't make the argument on your own, I don't read it.

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She says that she is lead by a spirit. Satan is a spirit and if the Bible is to be believed, he is God's most beautiful creation. Clearly she is promoting the taking of innocent blood which is one of the very few things that God named as an abomination. If she is lead by a spirit, it isn't very difficult to determine which spirit is leading her.

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Ah, As I thought palerider you have no interest in studying the scriptures. I did not read your last post before I posted a study for you that you no doubt will not bother to read.


Well, let me say this.

I call you a liar palerider. You do not know the scriptures at all. That is evident in the fact you never post any, and you have no knowledge about what the bible says, except that all children have by what they have learned in church or sunday school. Your biblical knowledge is like a childs, you have never sought to grow into a adult as far as scripture is concerned.

If you had you would know that all things, all people are under the direct control of God the Father. There is some free will among that control , but not much.

And that God is the author of both good and evil.

Shall we receive good at the hands of the Lord, and shall we not receive evil?–Job 2:10.

Isaiah 45:6-7
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

The bible including the new testament is full of scriptures in the thousands that tell us God has predestined exactly how this world is working and what is being done. God uses lying spirits to make men do what they would not do. If you read the bible it is clear the plan of God includes the death in many horrible ways of mankind. At the end of the days we live in blood will fill the earth by God's will as high as a horses bridle.

So you palerider don't have a clue what you are talking about.

God knew what man would do on earth and is using the evil men do for his own plan to come to be. God is able to stop all those deaths. But he does not. Because God foreknew the evil and disobedience that would be in man, so God plans include that evil. That is clearly seen in scripture.

Christ fore told, they will kill many of you . Christ also for told that the land will be filled with blood as high as the bridles of horses in the last day.

If your alive then palerider and those days are coming soon I believe. If your alive then palerider, will you still be wading through that blood God condoned to rant about abortions?

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Your the one filled with the spirit of the anti christ palerider.

It is clear that you serve satan and have blinded eyes because you don't know a thing about what the scriptures say.

Lies like you tell palerider come straight from the children of satan.

You don't believe the bible palerider or that humans have souls sent straight from God because you serve your real father the devil.

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Again your a liar Nathan

Quote Nathan :" She even argued with me at one point that there was no such thing as a Bible." End quote.
Since I have never talked to you outside this forum Nathan, I call your lie. You will not be able to find one place I have ever said there is no such thing as the bible. If this is true you will be able to pull that post up. Since it is not true, you are proven once again Nathan, to be the liar you are.

Quote Nathan" She completely ignores 2000 years of culture and study "End quote
You are the one that ignores 2000 years of study in the scriptures Nathan in favor of your traditions of men. It is only completely ignorant, non scripture studying, people like you who are arrogant enough to think what you heard at your local apostate church; is the sum history of the worlds scriptural knowledge.

I could care less about cultural norms Nathan, as Christ condemned men who would teach the traditions and teachings of their Fathers, instead of the word of God . And that is you Nathan , your certainly not a teacher, because its apparent your bible knowledge is limited, but you have swallowed the teachings and traditions of men and rejected the word of God.

The very fact that you think cultural norms take precedent over the actual word of God shows you know nothing about the bible at all Nathan.

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I don't have the time or the stomach to reread all of your 3000 plus post on the thousands of subjects you interject yourself into. However, last year I made a statement regarding the Bible being the word of God and you stated there was no such thing as a Bible, the word bible meant a book or some such nonsense. You can call me a liar all you want but you are the kook here, no one else.

I don't care if you have spent every waking moment since you popped out of your mothers womb studying the Bible, you are a nut case who creates interpretations out of whole cloth and when someone gets too close to understanding your real knowledge you response by calling them liars or stupid or ungodly or a child of Satan. You in fact are possessed, not by the Holy Spirit, but by a demon of Satan. I will not argue with you since I try not to argue with close minded people. However, I will continue to point out ot any readers of your insane rantings that you are in fact a false prophet

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I never said I was a prophet, Nathan,again you show a total ignorance about the bible. And again prove yourself to be a liar.


Quote Nathan : Well, if she can get it from the Holy Spirit why cannot Dr Billy Graham or Pope Benedict or those who have made it a life's work to study the word of God also not get it from the Holy Spirit?

I happen to believe Billy Grahm and Pope John Paul are holy spirit indwelled, and do or did, as in the case of Pope John Paul who has now died, receive their instruction and scripture leaning; straight from God in the form of the holy spirit.


Read what Billy Grahm and pope John Paul have to say on the subject of Hell Nathan.


Changing Church Views of
the Hell Myth Today
Today, even the church is drawing back from the hell myth, realizing that it has no Biblical basis and is simply incompatible with a loving God:

Among Evangelicals: Billy Graham

These are Billy Graham's words about hell in an interview with Larry King:


King: But what about those faiths -- the Mormons and the others that you mentioned -- believe in Christ. They believe they will meet Christ. What about those like the Jews, the Muslims, who don't believe as you believe.
Graham: That's in God's hands. I can't be their judge.

King: You don't judge them?

Graham: No. No, I don't say you're going to hell, and you're, oh, I don't hell is not biblical anyway. Words have been mistranslated from the original scriptures to get hell, but the concept of eternal torture by God is foreign to the original scriptures.

King: How do you feel when you see a lot of these strong Christian leaders go on television and say, you are condemned, you will live in hell if you do not accept Jesus Christ, and they are forceful and judgmental?

Graham: Well, they have a right to say that, and they are true to a certain extent, but I don't -- that's not my calling.

(Larry King Live, June 16, 2005).

Billy Graham elaborated on the fact that all people are loved and accepted by God in a dialogue with Robert Schuller of the California Crystal Cathedral. He speaks pointedly of only a "heaven," not a hell. Schuller, another renowned Evangelical, was delighted with Graham's statements:
Schuller: Tell me, what do you think of the future of Christianity?
Graham: I think everybody who knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ...God's purpose is to call out a people for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, Buddhist world, the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus...and I think they are saved, and that they are going to be in heaven with us.

Schuller: (overjoyed): What I hear you saying is that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life even if they've been born into darkness and never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you are saying?

Graham: Yes it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world...that have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God. (Hour of Power television broadcast, May 31, 1997).


Among Canadian Evangelicals: Clark Pinnock
Professor Emeritus of Systematic Theology at McMaster University
How can Christians possibly project a deity of such cruelty and vindictiveness whose ways include inflicting everlasting torture upon his creatures, however sinful they may have been? Surely a God who would do such a thing is more nearly like Satan than like God, at least by any ordinary moral standards, and by the gospel itself. ("Evangelicals and the Annihilation of Hell," by Alan W. Gomes. Retrieved from Evangelicals and the Annihilation of Hell May 21, 2007)




Among Catholics: Pope John Paul II
This is a statement from Pope John Paul II made on July 28, 1999. Hell is not a place of fire and eternal suffering, he says. He describes it as separation from God, chosen by people using their free will, and only symbolically described as a fiery place of torment as a strongly portrayed reminder of the freedom from death believers have. He refers to the descriptions of torment as "improper use of Biblical images":
The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033). . . . The thought of hell — and even less the improper use of biblical images — must not create anxiety or despair, but is a necessary and healthy reminder of freedom within the proclamation that the risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry “Abba, Father!” (Rm 8:15; Gal 4:6).
(John Paul II, General Audience, July 28, 1999. Retrieved from The Holy See - The Holy Father - John Paul II - Audiences 1999
documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_en.html May 21, 2007).


There you go Nathan in Billy Grahams and Pope John Pauls own words a complete denial of what you commonly hear at you local " cultural" church as you called it in your own words.

The above is given with links so you can follow up and confirm the words yourself Nathan.

And why are these two very Godly men refuting what is commonly taught in the apostate churches?

Because Christ warned men would take away from and add to the bible. Christ said they will be punished for doing that, but still they have done it.

Pope John Paul, Billy Grahm and others like myself,and we number in the millions, who earnestly have sought the truth of God's word and prayed the meaning of scriptures be given us, have received at the hand of the holy spirit truth , instead of the traditions of men, that you have followed hook line and sinker Nathan. You need not know Hebrew , Greek, or Aramaic the original languages of the bible to receive this truth. God is well able to open your mind to understand the scriptures in their original languages if you seek that knowledge in prayer.

To know and understand the scriptures can only be done when God opens a humans understanding. Learn that truth Nathan and you have the start of much knowledge God will give you.

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And because I would not mix my own words with those of God's from the holy spirit .

I will make this additional post to you Nathan that is my own words completely.


It is not my fault you are too lazy to have studied the scriptures past what some man told you at your local "cultural" churches.

It is not my fault that you have never prayed and asked God to open the understanding of scriptures to you Nathan.

It is not my fault that you believe the lies men tell you Nathan.

It is not my fault that you have ignored the warnings of Christ that men would take away and add to the words of the Book of God.

That is your fault Nathan because I suspect you prefer the lies of men and of Satan to the real Words of God. Because if you learned what the bible really says Nathan you would have to change your miserable life and stop being as heartless and selfish as you are.

And all that lying you do would have to go as well.

But think not Nathan you get away with it, you will be called to account for all these idle lies and words and false teachings you promote when you stand in front of the Lord Jesus Christ at your judgment.

let the Christ judge between me and thee Nathan.

Amen, and so be it.

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What you mean is that you have been caught in another of your endless lies and would like that lie to stand unchallenged.

Your a liar Nathan and if your not then you should be able to prove it. Read your own posts to me then Nathan if you don't want to read mine. It should be a easy matter to find the post where you argue there is a bible in your own words Nathan.

That would not require you to read my posts at all. By your own statement you told the Lie that I argued with you there was no such thing as a bible. Your own argument that there is a bible should be easily found among your own posts Nathan . Search your posts Nate and when you find the thread show it to us.

But you will not find it because your lying, I never said there was no bible.

Once again Nathan you are caught in a big fat lie.

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