Have you always been alive?

Themaniacster · #**531** (**permalink**) 03-29-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

marmalade6

Honey, I suggest you ignore palerider for sure. Your wasting time talking to that evil man. And evil he is. The foolish man promotes ending birth control and abortions yet would let the children gladly starve to death after they are born rather than give one dime in taxes to feed them..................That is evil. .......................And pale rider says animals have no right to live. Believe me many have tried to talk sense to palerider, and he just ignores facts , science, logic and the bible in favor of his own evil and warped theology.

And this SaintMalaclypse I do not know . But I can tell you that he has a potty mouth which tells me he is not a follower Of Christs.

and he is most probably a liar. He says the following.

"" The job I had was being a deckhand on a towboat. The pay was $50.00 a day, the schedule was 30 days, 12 hours a day, on the boat, then 15 days off. There was no overtime pay, there was no holiday pay, there were no days off. Minimum wage at the time was $4.25/hr, if I recall correctly. I made $4.17. After the first year, my pay was bumped enough to be a few cents over minimum wage.""

I happened to have had a brother and a husband back when minimum wage was about $4.25 per hour. Both worked on boats like this man said he did and they made a lot more money than that. Both were new to the job but I recall my husband made over 500 a week net. and that was back in the early 80's when 500 net was a lot of money.

average wage on any boat with the 30 days on 15 or 30 days off is much higher and always has been than what this man said. Now maybe in the 60's they paid $50 a day. But then minimum wage wouldn't have been $4.25 either.

So I wouldn't waste my time , your dealing with 2 liars at the very least in these two men.

First of all, animals DO NOT have rights, rights are rights by law, and there is no law to give wild animals rights.

You may act like you are free of stereotypes, but I see them embedded in you, why would someone want an end of abortion, but not care about human life afterwards? You can't find the answer because it's simply not true.

And, I laugh at you saying SaintMacalypse is a potty mouth, that is truly hypocritical, you spout hate at every turn with your sterotypes, "Peach".

SaintMalaclypse · #**532** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

marmalade6
average wage on any boat with the 30 days on 15 or 30 days off is much higher and always has been than what this man said. Now maybe in the 60's they paid $50 a day. But then minimum wage wouldn't have been $4.25 either.

So I wouldn't waste my time , your dealing with 2 liars at the very least in these two men.

IS much higher, yes. Was much higher? Heh. If I'd started with experience, I could have signed on at $70/day. I was green. If you the industry wages, you know that term.

And...you ARE aware that there is NO minimum pay on the river, yes? Minimum wage doesn't apply. I mentioned it as a comparison. If minimum wage wasn't 4.25, then I stand corrected. But as far as questioning the pay I said I made...pffft. Again, if you know the industry, which you seem to be implying, then you know even now that there is a HUGE pay difference from company to company. I was making near-the-bottom-of-the-barrel, but I do know there were people making even less than I was...not many, but some.

An employer can offer ANY wage he likes on the river; as long as someone will work at those wages, he'll fill the spot. Not for long, but he'll fill it, so NO number, no matter how tiny, is impossible or even unlikely in this industry.

As for my potty mouth...I talk down when the audience is beneath me, and fold my hands when the audience is Above. For all others, I do my best...but you know hard it is to get the profanity out of your system when you get off the boat, right? Right?

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Originally Posted by marmalade6

But if the annual pay doesn't add up, there's some discrepancy.

Lol. What annual pay? I never mentioned one, but you go ahead and add it up. If my annual pay matches what you think it should be, THEN my opinion matters here? You're just the cutest lil' thing, aren't you?

Well, here you go, I'll do it for you, so you don't sneak in some of that liberal math:

I worked, on average, 12 hours/day for 30 days. Then I was off 15 days.
That's 12 x 30 = 360 hours over a 45 day cycle. 360/45=8 hours a day averaged over 45 days.
8 hours a day x 365 = 2,920 hours a year.
2,920 x $4.17 = $12,176.40 annually.

Now tell me...how is that in any way relevant? I got married, THEN made BABIES, which I didn't NEED to kill because I was willing to accept responsibility by working a CRAP (+/- your opinion of my wages) JOB.

Oh, hell...I just remembered...I was a greedy, no good self-serving bastard back then and worked odd jobs on my week off, so you're right: My income was nowhere near as abyssmal as I made it out to be. I mowed lawns and did odd jobs, so you can tack on another couple thousand to my bullshit lie I claimed earlier. And if I'm not mistaken, that no good dedicated Christian wife of mine had the audacity to have a few rummage sales, bake a few wedding cakes, and do a couple other odd jobs while she raised the babies, so now her wanton ways have jacked my REAL income up even higher...what a damned dirty liar you must think I am! For shame!

Jeez...I can't thank you enough for questioning my wages. Had I not figured them up, I might have believed for the rest of my life that abortion was wrong and I was a good, responsible father...but that's just not possible on my ACTUAL wages, is it? Proves you were right all along! Thank you for steering me back to what's relevant!

*sigh*

What was your point again?

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

And this SaintMalaclypse I do not know . But I can tell you that he has a potty mouth which tells me he is not a follower Of Christs.

[quote]James 4:11 "Brothers do not slander one another"

James 4:12 "There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?"

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Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

First off...show me where "pottymouth" is a sin. Show me anything even remotely related to using vulgar slang being condemned, banned, or even frowned upon in the Bible. I'll assume you've fopund it, and will post it shortly, and will now move on...

You presume to decide for me whether or not I am Saved? You presume to decide for me whether or not I Believe? And in an open accusation? Clearly you wield Belief as a Personal weapon instead of a Divine Shield. Good luck with that.

Next time...just try asking before you assume. Might keep the blemishes off of your own soul.

And here's a parting thought, since you brought religion into this: When God hated Esau and loved Jocob in the womb, was he a doddering fool talking to an inhuman mass of cellsthat he had mistaken for people...or was he feeling emotion toward Humans in the womb? Surely something more than an inhuman sack would be required to get such strong attention from the Almighty, yes? Or does God show a propensity for hating and loving rocks, jellyfish, sticks and clouds, too? God's Judgement is reserved for humans, last time I checked.

marmalade6 · #**533** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Themaniacster

First of all, animals DO NOT have rights, rights are rights by law, and there is no law to give wild animals rights..

Animals are protected against abuse, neglect, cruelty, endangerment of extinction, with prosecution, jail or prison, and fines. Does this tell us that animals lack rights?

marmalade6 · #**534** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 02:44 PM

[quote=SaintMalaclypse;356660]
I got married, THEN made BABIES, which I didn't NEED to kill because I was willing to accept responsibility by working a CRAP (+/- your opinion of my wages) JOB.

Oh, hell...I just remembered...I was a greedy, no good self-serving bastard back then and worked odd jobs on my week off, so you're right: My income was nowhere near as abyssmal as I made it out to be. I mowed lawns and did odd jobs, so you can tack on another couple thousand to my bullshit lie I claimed earlier. And if I'm not mistaken, that no good dedicated Christian wife of mine had the audacity to have a few rummage sales, bake a few wedding cakes, and do a couple other odd jobs while she raised the babies, so now her wanton ways have jacked my REAL income up even higher...what a damned dirty liar you must think I am! For shame!

Jeez...I can't thank you enough for questioning my wages. Had I not figured them up, I might have believed for the rest of my life that abortion was wrong and I was a good, responsible father...but that's just not possible on my ACTUAL wages, is it? Proves you were right all along! Thank you for steering me back to what's relevant!

*sigh*[quote]

Calm down. All this huff lends a believeability quality to your story. Your wife's contributions shouldn't have been overlooked.

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First off...show me where "pottymouth" is a sin. Show me anything even remotely related to using vulgar slang being condemned, banned, or even frowned upon in the Bible. I'll assume you've fopund it, and will post it shortly, and will now move on...
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It's not. But, "...air burns like a whore's rash", might stir reaction, however poetic.

Themaniacster · #**535** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marmalade6

Animals are protected against abuse, neglect, cruelty, endangerment of extinction, with prosecution, jail or prison, and fines. Does this tell us that animals lack rights?

"Wild Animals"

Keyword: Wild.

Lexi · #**536** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Themaniacster

"Wild Animals"

Keyword: Wild.

Wild animals are protected too, try killing a deer out of season and see if you get prosecuted for it. Go gator hunting out of season and get prosecuted for it... Those are just 2 examples but there are lots of others that are protected and therefore have rights... You and Pale just got that "theory" knocked down...

PaleRider · #**537** (**permalink**) 03-30-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

marmalade6
And pale rider says animals have no right to live.

I just repeated what your own bible says with regard to animal rights. You don't like it, take it up with God.

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Believe me many have tried to talk sense to palerider, and he just ignores facts , science, logic and the bible in favor of his own evil and warped theology.

Since you have posted no facts, I don't know what facts you believe I have ignored. Feel free to bring them foreward unless they are just one more of your lies.

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

So I wouldn't waste my time , your dealing with 2 liars at the very least in these two men.

Of course you wouldn't because you would have your silly arguments dismantled and shown for the logical fallacies they are.

Lexi · #**538** (**permalink**) 03-31-2008, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

I just repeated what your own bible says with regard to animal rights. You don't like it, take it up with God.

And this from the person that said he never uses the Bible to confirm his statements...LOL When you get caught in a lie like that you squirm like worm Pale.

Since you have posted no facts, I don't know what facts you believe I have ignored. Feel free to bring them foreward unless they are just one more of your lies.

Talk about lies, just look at the one you told about animals having no right to live...

Of course you wouldn't because you would have your silly arguments dismantled and shown for the logical fallacies they are.

Your arguments are about the silliest ones on all these abortion threads, you're just to stupid to realize it.

PaleRider · #**539** (**permalink**) 03-31-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexi

And this from the person that said he never uses the Bible to confirm his statements...LOL When you get caught in a lie like that you squirm like worm Pale.

Lexi, you poor stupid woman. I never use the bible in an attempt to make my argument on abortion. Animal rights, in case you were unaware, is not related to abortion. Peach seems to believe that the Bible represents the only source of facts out there so I pointed out to her, from the Bible, that animals have no rights. Geez lexi, learn something.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/341755-post391.html

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/341408-post389.html

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/340632-post130.html

By the way, didn't you say you had me on your permanant ignore list? Caught in another lie huh?

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Originally Posted by Lexi

Talk about lies, just look at the one you told about animals having no right to live...

Again. You poor stupid woman. If you review my posts, you will find that I said that animals have whatever rights we give them. That is different than saying that they have no rights.

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Originally Posted by Lexi

Your arguments are about the silliest ones on all these abortion threads, you're just to stupid to realize it.

Which explains why you get your stupid ass handed to you every time you speak.

Lexi · #**540** (**permalink**) 03-31-2008, 08:16 AM

[quote=PaleRider;357370]Lexi, you poor stupid woman.

LOL, you wish ... You poor stupid old man...

After reading your comments above I must say you contradict yourself more than any person I've ever seen.

And you then call someone else stupid.. Call me whatever you want , I know what I am and that's all that matters to me..