No amount of philosophical slight of hand is going to make unborns something other than human beings just as no amount of philosophical slight of hand is going to make you more than a human being. You are what you are.

I might have asked before, but I don't remember getting an answer.

Imagine that you are on trial for your life. You have done nothing, but are none the less on trial. The prosecutor stands and tells the jury that he is going to introduce some philosophical concepts into evidence that show that not only do you have no actual right to live, but that the jury has no real business in deciding what goes on between the state and any particular individual and further more, he will also introduce some philosophical concepts dealing with guilt and innocence and prove beyond doubt that you can not be innocent.

Your lawyer starts to rise and object on the basis that philosophical concepts are not evidence and in order to proceed, the state is required to provide actual evidence against you.

Now. Do you stop your lawyer because you like a good debate as much as anyone and want to see what sort of philosophical case the prosecutor can make, or do you let your lawyer object because it is your life on the line and philosophical concepts are not evidence and since you know that you didn't do whatever you have been accused of, you know that if the prosecutor sticks to the facts, you will be aquitted?

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

And no amount of scientific facts are going to make others live by your morals.

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"its potential, its potential, its potential because I said so, there's your proof" --- Palerider

Every one of the 5 million laws on the books requires you to live by someone's morals lexi. You live your life by someone else's morals every day because if you don't you will be fined or imprisoned.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

No Pale, I live by my own morals not anyone else's. Any laws I follow are because I believe in those laws as an American. If I don't believe in a law that is enforced on me I will fight to get it overturned. No one can make another live by their morals , that's not what America is all about.

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"its potential, its potential, its potential because I said so, there's your proof" --- Palerider

Right. You go right on telling yourself that. If you were intellectually honest, you would admit that there are laws that you don't agree with but you follow anyway because you don't want to be locked up or fined. Every single one of us can think of laws that we don't agree with but follow anyway because to break them would invite complications into our lives that we can live without. I guess you are the only person in America who agrees with all 5 million laws on the books. Congratulations.

And having talked to you for a while, I can say with all confidence that you don't have a clue as to what America is all about.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Well I'm intelectually honest enough to tell you that the only one I have disagreed with completely so far in my life is the one you're trying to shove down everyone's throat that you can. Thanks but no thanks, I'll pass on that one. Of course there are other laws that I don't "like" but hey, they're not about telling me what to do with my body..

There are laws that you don't like too I'm sure but you're doing the same thing about those that you say I am. Congratulations to you too..

I think it's YOU that doesn't have a clue to what America is all about, or women..

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"its potential, its potential, its potential because I said so, there's your proof" --- Palerider

Since this is on paper, my flight/fight reaction is not engaged. So be it, what I would do would depend on the talents of my lawyer, and the profiles of the jury. Philosophical arguement can persuade, though at a cost to patience.

What laws do you not agree with, that would not include the usual: taxes, murder?

Lexi, your argument is that since the unborn child is "Part of a woman's body" (even though it technically is not,) Does that mean she can kill an innocent child that has a completely pure concience-(Spelling?) because it's an inconveinence?

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

Helmet laws, certain gun laws, private land use laws off the top of my head. There are plenty of others but those should suffice. The fact is that there are millions of laws that tell us what we can and can't do. To pick this one subject and claim that the government is out of line in telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies is simply disengenous.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma