Yes, just how would you, as an unborn, pursue life, liberty and happiness?

Lexi, you ignore what people tell you to better your argument.

By "rights" he means rights in the law and constitution, there is nothing in law, or constitution, that says non-humans have a right to live, therefor, non-humans do not have a life to live. A fetus, is both alive and human. Therefor, a fetus should have a right to live.

No one seems to know what a "right" is, this amazes me.

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

I haven't accepted them because they have not been honest. You, and the others, have told the stories that you have made up for yourselves and the stories that you are comfortable telling others, but they are not the stark, unadorned truth of your positon.

If you want to be honest, then simply say that you favor allowing women to kill thier unborn children, without legal consequence, for any or no reason.

It isn't pretty, and most people would find it repugnant, but it is the truth.

You simply don't think very deeply into what you are saying do you marmalade? I know that you have the brains to do it, but you don't, or won't. Why is that? Just how do you think that newborns pursue life liberty and happines?

The answer is that they don't, and that is fine because there is no requirement that you actually exercise your rights to retain them. You have the right to own firearms but there is no requirement that you own them. If you choose not to buy firearms, you still have the right even though you haven't exercised it. The same is true for all of your other rights, including your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Well, adieu to secular Pale, and hello to righteous Pale who's finally owned the religious Pro-life handle. You know, the one he would only attribute to 'red-faced' bible thumpers.

So now we have Religion and a religious myth-making fool who is after all forcing his rigid self-righteous balony on strugggling unfortunate women and girls.

As for Genesis 9:3, the global problems we are currently experiencing are due to this truly arrogant assumption that MAN is the be all, and all are to be used as sick cows at a slaughter-house, unable to stand and painfully shovelled in to be butched, while assuming any repercussions will be minor and easily stepped around.

I'm disappointed. Your persona has been altered irretrievably.

1. And what story have I told? Other than analogy, what lies have I told.

I favor allowing women to kill their unborn zefs (thanks Wyse) definitely without legal consequences, for any (or no) reason. You really have no idea of a woman's plight, do you. That is what the OR NO tells us.

So what happened to you, Pale. Did a loved-one abort your babe?


2. I think deep enough. I think the baggage you are carrying around though is very heavy. I simply know nothing about pregnancy, birth or babies, other than whan I've learned here, and from my own life.

The term I used was 'unborn' not newborn, and was made in referrence to the inplied understanding that you referred to a fetus as having a certain inalienable right to live. Certainly, you weren't referring to: after birth or at birth. That would imply no right to live prior to birth.

Libs are the gay agenda and culture of death.

"Libs are the gay agenda and culture of death!"

Is this really the best you can do marmalade. What were the first 13 words of my rebuttal? Didn't I make it clear that the bible verses didn't make any difference with regard to the core issue of abortion? She just stuck her stupid chin out there with her "animals have rights" argument and she pretends to be such a good Christian that I just had to smack her down with her own argument.

You will note that she hasn't been back.

It is your position that makes you stupid marmalade. I don't really think that you are stupid, but you can't defend your positon without seeming stupid. You don't want to state your position honestly because clearly, such a position would create a moral dilemma for most people so you slug around through a morass of ignorance, hurling whatever crap you can dig up against the wall hoping that some of it will stick. Of course, none of it does because it is all so stupid and you are left making personal attacks rather than articulating any sort of rational, well thought out defense of your position.

I really don't argue the bible marmalade. But I agree with you that slaughter houses aren't pleasant places. Very little of my food comes from such places. I keep a cow or two and a bull that live as pleasant a life as bovines can live and the same for a couple of pigs and some chickens. We treat them well and slaugher a couple a year in as humane a fashion as we can. They provide us with about 75% of the meat that we eat. I also kill my limit of deer each year (some of which goes to a hunters for the hungry program) and two wild turkeys (both of which go into my smokehouse).

All of the animals that find themselves under my care are very well and humanely treated. You should see my annual vet bills.

I am afraid that we have become a nation where industrial slaughterhouses and all the horrors they represent have become necessary. Unfortunately, most people in this country aren't prepared to feed themselves. Sad, but when you get away from the land, that is the way it is.

I am still waiting for some credible science that supports your position. My persona is what it is.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Hell, accusing me of being a bible thumper is a lie marmalade. There are others but I am not going to go back and bring them here.

Calling them zefs doesn't change what they are marmalade. That is another lie. When you use words in an attempt to dehumanize a human being, you are no different at all than a racist who uses racial epithets in an attempt to dehumanize blacks. No different at all.

Nope. I used to be pro choice. What happened to me was that I encountered someone who had an argument that I couldn't defeat. No matter what argument I put foreward simply looked stupid when contrasted against hard fact. I spent more time than I care to admit pouring through volumes in several medical school libraries looking for something with which to make a rational rebuttal. I didn't find any because there is none.

That left me with a few options. I could continue to throw out stupid arguments of the sort that you and the other pro choicers throw out knowing that they were vapid and hollow or I could state my position at that time honestly and say that I favored allowing women to kill their children without legal consequence for any or no reason, or I could accept the truth and modify my positon accordingly.

I was not in favor of allowing women to kill their children without legal consequence for any or no reason and I am not the sort to hold a position that I can't defend on an intellectual basis, so here I am. I made the only move a thinking person could make.


[quote=marmalade6;343037] 2. I think deep enough. I think the baggage you are carrying around though is very heavy. I simply know nothing about pregnancy, birth or babies, other than whan I've learned here, and from my own life.[/quote[

No you don't. If you did, you wouldn't toss out the crap arguments that you do. You would see that the are going to be easily dismantled because you would see that they are inherently dishonest.

You say I have baggage. Tell me about my baggage. We all have it, and I have mine as well. I brought what little I carry back from vietnam. I would be interested to know how my experiences there have any bearing on the fact that abortion denies human beings their most basic right.

I was making the point that newborns don't exercise any of their rights either although the do have them. Newborns aren't anything that they weren't before they were born except a little older and a bit more mature. Human beings have an inalenable right to live. To date, you haven't provided any credible evidence that suggests that unborns aren't human beings.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

I wondered what you looked like. I must say, you don't look that much different than I imagined except maybe for some tobacco juice running down your chin.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma