Have you always been alive?

wvpeach · #**321** (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:56 AM

What I want to know is have the women in pale riders family used birth control pills? Or other forms of birth control ?

How many abortions have went on in your own family pale rider?

Are you ranting about abortions while dozens may have happened in your own home?

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #**322** (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 10:44 PM

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What a joke you are pale rider. Preemies , old people all are alive. All can be saved by medical science. Yet you make a distinction between saving a accident victim or a preemie. How do you justify that thinking?

And you are yet to tell me what separates humans from animals pale rider?

Hint that separation makes a difference in the abortion debate.

Animals do not have a conscious, do you?

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I know Lexi.

I can tell even though pale rider doesn't want to tell on itself, that pale rider is one of those illogical, emotional anti thinkers. The kind that wants all abortions stopped but is unwilling to raise a few orphans in pale riders home, or spend a dime to feed them.

Hypocrites is what I call people like pale rider.

Illogical thinking like pale riders irritates me to no end. These are the people who should be stopped from breeding. Indeed I imagine pale rider has been involved with birth control pills in one way or the other, which is also a abortion agent, but thats okay because it was pale rider. Hypocrite.

There you go again w/ the hypocrite card, yet your entire post reeks of emotion, as this is usually why you go nuts & attack people..... & simply because you say so yourself....

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

What I want to know is have the women in pale riders family used birth control pills? Or other forms of birth control ?

How many abortions have went on in your own family pale rider?

Are you ranting about abortions while dozens may have happened in your own home?

Why would you ask this question? How exactly does one prevent friends or family from taking a pill, or having an abortion, or anything that she "chooses" to do? Aren't these people responsible for thier own decisions??

Grow up & stop pointing fingers to defend your position!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wvpeach · #**323** (**permalink**) 03-13-2008, 11:35 PM

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Animals do not have a conscious , do you?

Yes , I do go right and I bet so do you. You know why because we both have brains capable of millions of thoughts and that is what separates us from animals.

A fact that seems to have escaped your buddy pale rider.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #**324** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 12:03 AM

You bet I do WVpeach, but you on the other hand still are pro-choice, so I doubt you do??

Lexi · #**325** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 05:51 AM

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You bet I do WVpeach, but you on the other hand still are pro-choice, so I doubt you do??

If we don't have brains do you think we should have been aborted?

PaleRider · #**326** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 07:16 AM

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And if your thinking only one egg can be used at fertility clinics, than you don't understand the science behind how fertility clinics work. The process itself causes as many as 160 embryos to be made from egg's and one dose of sperm.

I understand both the science, and the proceedure. Presently, multiple embryos are created because the law doesn't protect them. They are human beings but are being denied thier most basic rights.

Fertility clinics are perfectly capable of fertilizing one egg at a time for implantation. I know this beyond a doubt because I have done the proceedure successfully myself on both mice and rabbits. The cost increases geometrically but we are perfectly capable of doing it. If couples can't afforde the additional expense, they can consider adoption.

As to the embryos that already exist, they shoud be put up for adoption.

PaleRider · #**327** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 07:20 AM

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There you go again w/ the hypocrite card, yet your entire post reeks of emotion, as this is usually why you go nuts & attack people..... & simply because you say so yourself....

She is not capable of debate. She knows that her position will fall to a rational argument so she talks endlessly and attempts to dominate the conversation to the point that no one has time to answer everything she has said. At that point, she tells herself that she has one because no one is able to sort through all of the static to address her actual position. You see people like this occasionally. Thankfully not many otherwise the discussion boards would be completely choked with their endless rants.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #**328** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 01:51 PM

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I understand both the science, and the proceedure. Presently, multiple embryos are created because the law doesn't protect them. They are human beings but are being denied thier most basic rights.

Fertility clinics are perfectly capable of fertilizing one egg at a time for implantation. I know this beyond a doubt because I have done the proceedure successfully myself on both mice and rabbits. The cost increases geometrically but we are perfectly capable of doing it. If couples can't afforde the additional expense, they can consider adoption.

As to the embryos that already exist, they shoud be put up for adoption.

She knows this as we debated it quite a bit last year. She is even the one that blamed fertility clinics for “over kill” citing money over morality. Her argument was that God wouldn’t allow millions of babies (or “souls” as she put it) to be flushed down the drain. I forget the bulk of her argument, but I’m sure you’ll know soon enough.

She likes to open these doors to arguments regarding ones “choice” for pro-lifers to defend, as if we are somehow in cahoots with her ilk.

Go figure

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #**329** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 01:52 PM

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If we don't have brains do you think we should have been aborted?

Uh, what??? Lexi, the human brain begins forming very early in prenatal life (just three weeks after conception), the brain continues to mature even after birth, through the first few years. And, I believe studies now show as late as the formidable teenage years.

Your argument doesn’t justify termination based on brain size, maturity and/or the lack thereof.

PaleRider · #**330** (**permalink**) 03-14-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong

She knows this as we debated it quite a bit last year. She is even the one that blamed fertility clinics for “over kill” citing money over morality. Her argument was that God wouldn’t allow millions of babies (or “souls” as she put it) to be flushed down the drain. I forget the bulk of her argument, but I’m sure you’ll know soon enough.

She likes to open these doors to arguments regarding ones “choice” for pro-lifers to defend, as if we are somehow in cahoots with her ilk.

Go figure

Yeah, the whole "God wouldn't let such and such happen" sort of falls flat in the face of stalin, mao, pol pot, hitler, et al. You can't hold the idea that God won't let a thing happen, and the idea of free will at the same time.