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Old 03-11-2008, 06:38 AM
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Like I told you on another thread Pale, your credible science doesn't apply to everyone.
Cedible science applies to everyone. Even flat earthers. The fact that you believe the earth is flat doesn't change the fact that it isn't. Science applies to everyone, even those who are locked in fantasy.
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Old 03-11-2008, 06:51 AM
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Cedible science applies to everyone. Even flat earthers. The fact that you believe the earth is flat doesn't change the fact that it isn't. Science applies to everyone, even those who are locked in fantasy.
Scientific facts are out there for people to see and then make choices how they are going to apply these facts to their daily lives. What part of this don't you understand Pale?
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:52 AM
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Scientific facts are out there for people to see and then make choices how they are going to apply these facts to their daily lives. What part of this don't you understand Pale?

Yes they are. Science doesn't tell you what to do with the information. It only tells you what is. Science says, without reservation, that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved. Science doesn't tell you what to do with that information and makes no moral demands upon you.

If science says that it is a fact that we are living human beings from conception and you deny that and say that we are not living human beings from conception, then you aren't deciding how you are going to apply the facts to your life, you are denying the facts so that you don't have to apply them to your daily life.

You could simply state that you believe a woman should be allowed to kill her unborn child without legal consequence for any or no reason and the argument goes away. The argument only exists because you deny the facts and attempt to substitute something other than fact to justify your position.

The facts are what they are whether you accept them or not. You create an argument by denying them, not by what you decide to do with the information once you have it.
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:48 PM
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[quote=PaleRider;334328]Yes they are. Science doesn't tell you what to do with the information. It only tells you what is.

Absolutely, and then we look at the science and do what we feel is the right thing for our lives.. Checkmate.
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Old 03-11-2008, 05:19 PM
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Absolutely, and then we look at the science and do what we feel is the right thing for our lives.. Checkmate.

So you accept the scientific fact that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved and it is simply your belief, that is, you feel that it is right that a woman should be allowed to have her unborn child killed without legal consequence for any or no reason?
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Old 03-11-2008, 05:29 PM
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So you accept the scientific fact that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved and it is simply your belief, that is, you feel that it is right that a woman should be allowed to have her unborn child killed without legal consequence for any or no reason?

No, I will never accept the scientific fact , (if it really is a fact and not just another pro life scientist that "proved" it). We are living human beings when we develop a brain and not until then in my opinion. You can't have consequences when it wasn't really a human being to start with.
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Old 03-11-2008, 05:37 PM
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No, I will never accept the scientific fact , (if it really is a fact and not just another pro life scientist that "proved" it).
Then you are in denial of the truth for some reason that only you can know. And if it were true that the fact that we are living human beings from the time we are concieved were simply some pro choice scientist's fabrication, don't you think that there would be plenty of science from pro choice scientists that says that we are not living human beings from conception?

The fact is lexi that even pro choice scientists accept that we are living human beings from conception. They accept that fact and make their arguments accordingly. They aren't writing that we are something other than living human beings from conception because it simply isn't true.

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We are living human beings when we develop a brain and not until then in my opinion. You can't have consequences when it wasn't really a human being to start with.
If you believe that is true, then you are denying the truth. If what were really true, don't you think that pro choice doctors and scientists would be writing this in textbooks and medical journals? There is none lexi. The pro choice doctors and scientists accept the facts for what they are. They know we are living human beings from conception and they make thier arguments in acceptance of the facts, not in denial of them.
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By the way, are you saying that live children born without brains are not living human beings?
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By the way, are you saying that live children born without brains are not living human beings?
A human being cannot live without a brain..
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Old 03-11-2008, 06:50 PM
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. The pro choice doctors and scientists accept the facts for what they are. They know we are living human beings from conception and they make thier arguments in acceptance of the facts, not in denial of them.

The writing is in the book, you just CHOOSE not to read it .
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