we kill people on death row...... are you guys fine with that

honestly, people do bad things, like unintentionally getting pregnant

so wouldn't killing the baby be like death row?

ABORTION IS FINE.

A person did a speech on abortion in my school. one thing she said was this:

"The baby you kill wouldn't be able to even say its first words, therefor it is innocent."

What have you got to lose? A baby with no knowledge.

NO MATTER

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I agree. And if you can kill a baby with no knowledge, then shouldn't you be able to kill a baby if it's a female? Or they find a gay gene, then abort a baby just because it's gay? I mean, girl babies are a hassle. And who would want a gay baby?

Good thing your parents didn't make that decision for you, or else you would have been just another baby with no knowledge...

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Everyone ever executed on death row had his day in court and was found guilty and sentenced by a jury. Then they got the requisite appeals and re appeals. Give the same benefit of the law to unborns and you won't here a peep out of me over the subject of abortion.

My problem with abortion lies in the fact that this nation was founded on the idea that we come into being with certain rights and the right to live is first among them. No one gives it to us, it isn't ours by virtue of citizenship, and we aren't born into it. We come into being with it and abortion summarily denies the most basic human right we have without the requisite day in court.

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The problem is you cannot legislate behavior in other people.

Abortions have been happening since before Christ walked this earth.

52 people are murdered in America everyday.

192,000 violent crimes happen every week in America

Babies are beaten and abused. Kids starve to death the world over.

Old people are neglected or snowed out in the silent euthanasia we commit in the USA.

People die because they have no health insurance .

Birth control pills starve fertilized eggs to death .

Fertility clinics toss fertilized eggs down the drain as biowaste or do scientific tests on them .

I suggest everybody stops , takes a step back and realize we have lots of problems and they are not getting better they are getting worse.

Why all this rukas about abortion? Are you going to outlaw birth control pills ? They kill babies too.

Tell me how we can feed the starving babies the world already has . Tell me how we can take care of the hundreds of thousands of kids in our foster care system ?

Tell me why handicapped kids lay in orphanages and can't get adopted?

All this one issue crap is missing the much bigger picture . The much bigger picture is we have lots, and lots of problems.

Are people really just intellectually incapable of looking at the big picture?

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Wrong Billy, for example, you say we can't legislate behavior but we do.

Secondly, what does the fact that a lot of people get murdered each day have to do with you justifying abortion? Are you once again making the idiotic argument that we shouldn't legislate something that is going to happen anyway . . . . . . like murder?

We get it, you are pro-abortion, but at least use better arguments than we can't legislate behavior, because we do exactly that. We can't force people to change but we can and do certainly penalize people for behavior, THAT is legislating behavior. Ridiculous argument from the only person here that makes Nazi look smart, great job.

The same flawed logic, over and over. You guys are about the shallowest group of people that I have ever seen. Do you ever put any thought at all into what you are going to say, or are all your responses knee jerk answers that you speak without having even once considered whether they make sense or not.

The fact is that every law on the books in this country, all 5 million of them are specifically for legislating behavior. They tell you what you can do, what you can't do, where you can do it and where you can't. Even the suggestion that you can't legislate behavior is evidence of a complete lack of understanding of our, or any legal system.

So have murders, assaults, wife beating, stealing, robbery etc. etc. etc. Do you want to erase all laws from the books that haven't entirely prevented the particular action that they outlaw. Suggesting that because a thing has been going on for a long time it is pointless to outlaw it is just dumb.

2,400 children are summarily denied their right to live and killed for reasons that rarely amount to more than convenience in this country on a good day. One problem is obviously much more grave than the other.

And your point is what? Are you blaiming dead babies in dumpsters for violent crime?

And this somehow excuses killing millions more here in the US. What exactly is your point?

And this somehow excuses killing millions of children in the US? What is your point?

And this somehow excuses killing millions of children in the US? What is your point? Do you see a pattern emerging here? Your arguments are meaningless. They have nothing to do with one woman deciding to kill her child for reasons that amount to no more than convenience?



And I believe that all pills that have an abortificent effect should be banned. What is your point?

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Originally Posted by wvpeach Fertility clinics toss fertilized eggs down the drain as biowaste or do scientific tests on them .

And I believe that fertility clinics shoud only be allowed to fertilize one egg for implantation at a time. If the cost becomes prohibitive for most people, then they have the option to adopt.

All of the problems you listed pale in comparison to 45 million human beings being denied their most basic human right and killed without legal consequence in the USA.

As I said, any pill that has an abortificient effect should be banned. Perhaps if they were, a profit motive would exist to develop a pill that simply stops ovulation. We certainly have the technology, but there is no profit motive at this time.

You wrongly assume that if abortion is outlawed that every child who is born would be given over to the government. The fact is that most women would find that they didn't want to give up their chidren.

Tell me what this has to do with abortion? Are you saying that only handicapped kids are aborted?

And none even approach the 45 million dead due to abortion.

Clearly you are. Your whole post was nothing but one logical fallacy after another and had nothing to do with abortion. The fact that these problems exist and have only gotten worse in the 25 years since abortion was made legal is undeinable evidence that abortion is not the solution. Abortion has not made a single problem you listed any better. If abortion is your solution to the problems you listed, it has failed miserably and you have 45 million dead bodies at your feet to boot.

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Evidence proves that babies can think and feel in only a few weeks, doctors have reported babies thrashing in pain, 4/5th of abortions have been done by this time, so you are killing a baby, that can think, and that can feel, I beleive this is the first fact addressing abortion made in this thread so far. I have much more evidence to point out if anyone wants to argue with me.

Well said, Peaches.

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Well said? She said nothing that had anything to do with abortion? She missed the point entirely and you believe that was "well said"?

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