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Originally Posted by Lexi
This woman was only a few weeks away from delivering so this was considered a human being . It had a heart , brain, feelings and a soul, not just some cells in a petri dish. Makes a big difference. Even pro choice people recognize that fact, contrary to what Maniac and Paleface are always putting out.
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Contrary to what the ignorant, and those in denial believe, the unborn victims of violence law does not recognize unborns only past a particular stage of development. In fact, here is a direct quote from the law as signed in 2004.
`(d) As used in this section, the term `unborn child' means a child in utero, and the term `child in utero' or `child, who is in utero' means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.'.
Here is the entire text of the law.
Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 -- Laci and Conner's Law
This law does state that no one will be prosecuted for performing an abortion as the congress is afraid to address the issue of abortion directly. This law further establishes the personhood of the unborn, however, and will give the now more conservative court more amunition with which to overturn roe.
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02-25-2008, 05:50 AM
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Wonder why abortion isn't considered murder then.
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It is a process. One wouldn't expect for roe to be overturned as the result of one case. Already, very late term abortions have been banned after being legal almost 35 years. The supreme court upheld the ban and encouraged the states to put further restrictions upon abortion. This will result in more lawsuits which will further aid the court in restricting abortion. At present, there are 4 cases working thier way through the lower courts which were chosen specifically to further erode the foundation of roe v wade. Others will follow.
In his majority decision Justice Blackmun stated without reservation, that should the personhood of the unborn ever be established, that roe will collapse as unborns, being persons, will be entitled to the protection of the 14th amendment.
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02-25-2008, 06:08 AM
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Contrary to what the ignorant, and those in denial believe, the unborn victims of violence law does not recognize unborns only past a particular stage of development. In fact, here is a direct quote from the law as signed in 2004.
`(d) As used in this section, the term `unborn child' means a child in utero, and the term `child in utero' or `child, who is in utero' means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.'.
Here is the entire text of the law.
Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 -- Laci and Conner's Law
This law does state that no one will be prosecuted for performing an abortion as the congress is afraid to address the issue of abortion directly. This law further establishes the personhood of the unborn, however, and will give the now more conservative court more amunition with which to overturn roe. |
Well Paleone, some people do not necessarily AGREE with all the laws forced upon them do we? Some of us choose to think with the brain that God gave us instead of letting others CONTROL us. Intelligent you are not.
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02-25-2008, 06:10 AM
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It is a process. One wouldn't expect for roe to be overturned as the result of one case. Already, very late term abortions have been banned after being legal almost 35 years. The supreme court upheld the ban and encouraged the states to put further restrictions upon abortion. This will result in more lawsuits which will further aid the court in restricting abortion. At present, there are 4 cases working thier way through the lower courts which were chosen specifically to further erode the foundation of roe v wade. Others will follow.
In his majority decision Justice Blackmun stated without reservation, that should the personhood of the unborn ever be established, that roe will collapse as unborns, being persons, will be entitled to the protection of the 14th amendment.
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And ALL abortions will stop immediately , right Paleface???  |
02-25-2008, 06:34 AM
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Hi Themaniacster,
Technically, life begins at conception...as clearly it is an organism made up of living cells. The legal question is the following: when it the fetus considered a human being in the eyes of the law...and is then afforded all the rights and privileges that we have. Based on the Roe_V_Wade decision, the precedent was set that it becomes a person when it becomes viable, e.g., can live on its own outside the womb.
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Hmm then how come people get charge with murder of an unborn?
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The courts have (unwittingly?) established the personhood of the unborn. One can not be charged with manslaughter or murder, much less convicted of such unless one has killed a person. There is a growing number of people sitting in prison right now having been sentenced for killing an unborn during the commission of a federal crime and with them a growing body of legal precedent. In fact, there is now federal law that states quite clearly that a person who kills an unborn during the commission of a federal crime will be charged for murder or manslaughter and the law defines an unborn as an unborn at any stage of development rather than one who has reached a viability date.
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This law
Unborn Victims of Violence Act
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The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a "child in utero" as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[2]
The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).
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Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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And ALL abortions will stop immediately , right Paleface??? |
No bonehead and we are not saying it will anymore then gun control stops murders. |
02-25-2008, 06:36 AM
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Well Paleone, some people do not necessarily AGREE with all the laws forced upon them do we? Some of us choose to think with the brain that God gave us instead of letting others CONTROL us. Intelligent you are not.
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You implied that the man was being charged for the crime of killing the child because it was viable. That is not the case. If he killed the mom and the child was 4 days old, he would be just as guilty.
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02-25-2008, 06:37 AM
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And ALL abortions will stop immediately , right Paleface??? |
Of course not. No more than murder stops because it is against the law. What will happen is that we can start punishing women and doctors who continue to deny unborns their most basic human right in opposition to the law.
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02-25-2008, 06:48 AM
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Well Paleone, some people do not necessarily AGREE with all the laws forced upon them do we? Some of us choose to think with the brain that God gave us instead of letting others CONTROL us. Intelligent you are not.
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Disagreeing with a law does not make it any less of a law.
No matter what you think it is still a law and if you break it you will be punished for it.
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02-25-2008, 03:10 PM
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No bonehead and we are not saying it will anymore then gun control stops murders.
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Then what's your problem??? If you know you can't stop it then why do you want laws to control others rights? Do you have a miserable life also bonehead?  |
02-25-2008, 03:11 PM
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You implied that the man was being charged for the crime of killing the child because it was viable. That is not the case. If he killed the mom and the child was 4 days old, he would be just as guilty.
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