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02-04-2008, 12:00 AM
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Roe is unconstitutional
penumbras and emanations my ass.
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02-04-2008, 04:28 PM
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no it isn't
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02-04-2008, 07:21 PM
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yes it is fuckface.
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02-04-2008, 07:37 PM
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yes it is fuckface.
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no protecting people's privacy and rights to control their body is not unconstitutional.
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02-08-2008, 06:15 AM
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no protecting people's privacy and rights to control their body is not unconstitutional.
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Show me a right to privacy in the constitution. Hell, show me the word "privacy" in the constitution. You have no right to privacy. And there are any number of laws that tell you what you can and can not do with, put into, or take out of your body so any suggestion that abortion is a unique attempt for government to tell you what you can do with your body is inherently dishonest.
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02-08-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
Show me a right to privacy in the constitution. Hell, show me the word "privacy" in the constitution. You have no right to privacy. And there are any number of laws that tell you what you can and can not do with, put into, or take out of your body so any suggestion that abortion is a unique attempt for government to tell you what you can do with your body is inherently dishonest.
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The fourth ammendment for example implies privacy, no one can just enter your house and search/take anything. Why? Because your privacy as well as your belongings are protected. Part of your belongings is also your person.
The fifth ammendment states "be a witness against himself" or "be deprived".
Shit, you could also argue that the womens sufferage ammendment of 1920 could also be a reason to say that a woman has a right to choose and privacy. The ammendment states that women have the right to vote (which is private), therfore we have the right to make decisions, thefore we have the right to choose. Crazy - perhaps, but it could be argued nonetheless.
These ammendments may not state the word privacy, but they are implied in several ways, and by the rights they protect. I don't think any of us would want to live in a country where our privacy was not protected. We certainly would not be living in America. For those of you who wouldn't mind having people invade your privacy, perhaps you should move.
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02-08-2008, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
Show me a right to privacy in the constitution. Hell, show me the word "privacy" in the constitution. You have no right to privacy. And there are any number of laws that tell you what you can and can not do with, put into, or take out of your body so any suggestion that abortion is a unique attempt for government to tell you what you can do with your body is inherently dishonest.
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It doesn't need to because the 9th Amendment which says
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Now, that is a pretty vague statement....which others??? IMO, it was deliberately vague on purpose and would be subject to interpretation by later generations. And that is exactly what they did...."they" being the Courts as they are charged with role of interpretation of the Constitution.
The Right of Privacy: Is it Protected by the Constitution?
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02-08-2008, 12:36 PM
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The ammendment states that women have the right to vote (which is private), therfore we have the right to make decisions, thefore we have the right to choose.
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Actually it does not say women have the right to vote. It only states that women cannot be denied the right to vote simply by being women. The Constitution gives no one the specific right to vote. It only addresses those situations that cannot be used to deny the right.
Hell, right now a state could pass a law stating that left handed red heads did not have the right to vote and it would pass muster.
I think universal voting rights was one of the first steps in the downfall of America
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02-08-2008, 03:07 PM
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The fourth ammendment for example implies privacy, no one can just enter your house and search/take anything. Why? Because your privacy as well as your belongings are protected. Part of your belongings is also your person.
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An implied right to privacy does not trump an explicit right to live.
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These ammendments may not state the word privacy, but they are implied in several ways, and by the rights they protect. I don't think any of us would want to live in a country where our privacy was not protected. We certainly would not be living in America. For those of you who wouldn't mind having people invade your privacy, perhaps you should move.
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Show me anywhere in the 4th amendment where there is either an implied, or an explicit right for a woman to kill her child without legal consequence for reasons that rarely amount to more than convenience.
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02-08-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
It doesn't need to because the 9th Amendment which says
Now, that is a pretty vague statement....which others??? IMO, it was deliberately vague on purpose and would be subject to interpretation by later generations. And that is exactly what they did...."they" being the Courts as they are charged with role of interpretation of the Constitution.
The Right of Privacy: Is it Protected by the Constitution?
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Again. There is no right to privacy. You can not do whatever you want in the privacy of your home and an implied right to privacy does not suggest that you may kill another human being in order to maintain your privacy.
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