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Old 02-11-2008, 05:59 PM
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sex always somes with a risk and its up to the people having sex to try and prevent STDs and pregnancy. if they happen to get pregnant its up to the woman to choose what the best course of action is.

and there is no sex ed in most schools any more. thus more pregnancies and a lot more STDs.

kids should be able to get condoms and birthcontrol without parental consent. they own their bodies- their parents don't.
you can object to your kids having sex all you want. but kids have been having sex without permission for a very, very long time. obviously telling them no and taking away their options isn't working. other countries with better sex ed, relaxed attitudes, and accessable birthcontrol have lower pregnancy rates and STDS among teens.

as I said- the current abortion rate is too high. but its through social and cultural change that it will be lowered. not legislation. legislation wil result in more illegal abortions- most unsafe and the miniority safely paid for by rich people and listed as something besides an abortion on medical records- and not bring down the overall number of abortions.
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:42 PM
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sex always somes with a risk and its up to the people having sex to try and prevent STDs and pregnancy. if they happen to get pregnant its up to the woman to choose what the best course of action is.

and there is no sex ed in most schools any more. thus more pregnancies and a lot more STDs.

kids should be able to get condoms and birthcontrol without parental consent. they own their bodies- their parents don't.
you can object to your kids having sex all you want. but kids have been having sex without permission for a very, very long time. obviously telling them no and taking away their options isn't working. other countries with better sex ed, relaxed attitudes, and accessable birthcontrol have lower pregnancy rates and STDS among teens.

as I said- the current abortion rate is too high. but its through social and cultural change that it will be lowered. not legislation. legislation wil result in more illegal abortions- most unsafe and the miniority safely paid for by rich people and listed as something besides an abortion on medical records- and not bring down the overall number of abortions.
This is where you freaks loose ground with your arguement and twist the truth ass backwards explenations. Yes true sex has been and no matter what you do will always it is a matter of the percentage and the percentages where much much lower before this liberal let kids run things they have the power not parents bullshit. You sit there and say it is there body and call yourself a good parent your suppose to teach them not just go along with what they think is best for them. I like how you defend both sides right to have sex but only the right of one to make a decision on the end result if is comes to such. Real rights upholder their wolf.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:44 PM
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This is where you freaks loose ground with your arguement and twist the truth ass backwards explenations. Yes true sex has been and no matter what you do will always it is a matter of the percentage and the percentages where much much lower before this liberal let kids run things they have the power not parents bullshit. You sit there and say it is there body and call yourself a good parent your suppose to teach them not just go along with what they think is best for them. I like how you defend both sides right to have sex but only the right of one to make a decision on the end result if is comes to such. Real rights upholder their wolf.
other countries that let their kids learn about sex and treat it as a healthy part of life have less teen pregnancy than we do. in these countries they have legal abortion but lower abortion rates. birthcontrol is used more and used correctly a lot more often (many pregnancies are because people put the condom on wrong, or forget the pill, ect). and they don't have sex any earlier than our kids do.

in the end it is the woman's choice. its her body and she has to live with it.
of course she should take her partner's feelings into the highest consideration.

I have suggested and do support agreements for males to not have to pay child support if their partner signs a contract with them before a pregnancy. I do feel sympathetic that males do have much of a say during pregnancy. but it still stands that its not his body that is being used and affected.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:47 PM
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is impossible and a waste of money, wtf people?
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:00 PM
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is impossible and a waste of money, wtf people?
Any law that forbids you from doing a thing is an attempt to legislate morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to kill your nosy neighbor are legislating morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to steal are legislating morality. Practically all laws that regulate behavior are legislating morality. Do you have a problem with all laws?
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:05 PM
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Any law that forbids you from doing a thing is an attempt to legislate morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to kill your nosy neighbor are legislating morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to steal are legislating morality. Practically all laws that regulate behavior are legislating morality. Do you have a problem with all laws?
that is not true.

we have a right to life- thus no murder or injury
liberty- thus no laws that stop us from making out own choices
pursuit of happiness- this and liberty pull in the concept of equality, but also the concept of property (thus no theft)

be realistic
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:10 PM
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Any law that forbids you from doing a thing is an attempt to legislate morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to kill your nosy neighbor are legislating morality. Laws that make it illegal for you to steal are legislating morality. Practically all laws that regulate behavior are legislating morality. Do you have a problem with all laws?
Stop it with your universal bullshit. The difference is abortion is a law that is impossible to enforce. I say we eradicate all laws that are impossible to enforce.
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:30 PM
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. Laws that make it illegal for you to steal are legislating morality.
What about stealing a womans uterus for 40 weeks? Nothing wrong with thath though, huh? Because that suits your morality just fine.
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:40 PM
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What about stealing a womans uterus for 40 weeks? Nothing wrong with thath though, huh? Because that suits your morality just fine.
Talking about left field
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that is not true.

we have a right to life- thus no murder or injury
liberty- thus no laws that stop us from making out own choices
pursuit of happiness- this and liberty pull in the concept of equality, but also the concept of property (thus no theft)

be realistic
who or what gives you the right to life???????????????????????
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