Roe is unconstitutional

Themaniacster · #**541** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 07:24 PM

NatureMomma, your a hypocrit, you say he sounds like a thug, at least 50% of everything you say is insulting someone, and alot of that is childish taunts, insults, and tantrums. I'm glad your children don't see what YOU write.

wolf_22 · #**542** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 08:15 PM

pale rider:
people who take psyc learn more about neurobiology than most general biology minors. someone with a degree in psyc will know more about the brain than an MD (unless said medical doctor is a neurologist).

you are right- it is a mindless pain. as in there is no mind to be aware of the pain. it doesn't know its exists and it doesn't know its in pain.

I posted that a fetis can't feel- and be aware of those feelings- until week 14. but I posted another article that said it may even be later than that (week 20)

philosophy is a class that can discuss abortion (my class did)- hence why we read the fact that a fetus can't feel until week 14.

PaleRider · #**543** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 08:40 PM

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pale rider:
people who take psyc learn more about neurobiology than most general biology minors. someone with a degree in psyc will know more about the brain than an MD (unless said medical doctor is a neurologist).

Who do you think you are kidding wolf?

neurobiology - the branch of biology that is concerned with the anatomy and physiology of the nervous system.

psychology - the study of the mind or of mental states and processes.

Having taken both psychology and neurobiology in college, I can say most emphatically that people who take psychology do not learn more about neurobiology than most general biology majors or even some biology majors, or even any biology majors. And psych majors know very little about the brain structure and function of the brain and folks who just take some psych classes know even less as evidenced by your belief that the frontal lobes are involved in processing pain.

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you are right- it is a mindless pain. as in there is no mind to be aware of the pain. it doesn't know its exists and it doesn't know its in pain.

Tell me wolf, what could possibly be worse than mindless agony? An inability to rationalize the pain, to understand the cause, or understand why it is happening or what the source is? What could possibly be worse than for your whole existence to be agony and nothing more?

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

I posted that a fetis can't feel- and be aware of those feelings- until week 14. but I posted another article that said it may even be later than that (week 20)

Sure you posted it, but you didn't prove a thing. As I said, at best you proved that we don't know. Tell me, would you set a building on fire if you didn't know whether anyone was inside or not? Is not knowing a good enough reason to do a thing?

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philosophy is a class that can discuss abortion (my class did)- hence why we read the fact that a fetus can't feel until week 14.

So you read something in philosophy. What is your point. Philosophy is not the study of neurobiology and there is no reason why you should expect to get any credible neurobiological information in a philosophy course.

wolf_22 · #**544** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

Who do you think you are kidding wolf?

neurobiology - the branch of biology that is concerned with the anatomy and physiology of the nervous system.

psychology - the study of the mind or of mental states and processes.

Having taken both psychology and neurobiology in college, I can say most emphatically that people who take psychology do not learn more about neurobiology than most general biology majors or even some biology majors, or even any biology majors. And psych majors know very little about the brain structure and function of the brain and folks who just take some psych classes know even less as evidenced by your belief that the frontal lobes are involved in processing pain.
perhaps your instuctors ran their classes differently. I had a few units on Neuropsychology and typically had it incorporated into other aspects of the class even if it wasn't our general focus

Tell me wolf, what could possibly be worse than mindless agony? An inability to rationalize the pain, to understand the cause, or understand why it is happening or what the source is? What could possibly be worse than for your whole existence to be agony and nothing more?
if you do not have frontal lobes you do not know you exist. there are no thoughts- there is no abilty to know what is going on. a fetus' nerves may work but there is nothing there to interpret those feels and be aware of them until week 14

Sure you posted it, but you didn't prove a thing. As I said, at best you proved that we don't know. Tell me, would you set a building on fire if you didn't know whether anyone was inside or not? Is not knowing a good enough reason to do a thing?

So you read something in philosophy. What is your point. Philosophy is not the study of neurobiology and there is no reason why you should expect to get any credible neurobiological information in a philosophy course.

of course because teachers always lie and present false information if their course doesn't specificly deal with that subject.

why do you not get the concept of conscious awareness? or having a mind or the mind/body connection (or disconnect)?
until you have a mind it doesn't matter what happens to your body- you lack the part to know its happening!

Themaniacster · #**545** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 11:49 PM

Actually, Wolf, you are part right, babies can feel pain EVERYWHERE by the time they are week 14, however they can feel pain in parts of their body by week 9.

Themaniacster · #**546** (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 11:50 PM

You are right, if you feel pain and you can't think, it wouldn't matter, if you can't think, agony would have no effect on you, however, they can think at about the time they can feel in parts of their body, so that doesn't matter.

Lexi · #**547** (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:09 AM

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Once again, you are just talking with no clue as to whether what you are saying is true or not. Have you ever had a position that was based on hard fact or something that you could prove?

My position is based on human rights and the womans right to choose. All guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States for men and WOMEN. People like you will take us back to when women didn't have the right to vote, when it was legal to have slaves and women were just servants of the men that controlled them. Well , NO THANK YOU, not in my lifetime.

Lexi · #**548** (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:13 AM

And no, the constitution doesn't say anything specifically about abortion so can the "stupid" remarks.

Lexi · #**549** (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:17 AM

[quote=PaleRider;320413]This is a logical fallacy on your part. What I do, or don't do is irrelavent to the fact that abortion denies the most basic human right to a living human being. I am not surprised that you would express another fallcy since your eintire postion is one after another.

When you're trying to take away another persons rights EVERYTHING YOU DO IS RELEVENT. If you don't want to walk the walk , then don't talk the talk.
Take those babies into your home and raise them, that's what people that really cared about them would do. Guess that proves my point that it's all about control with you fanatics.

PaleRider · #**550** (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexi

My position is based on human rights and the womans right to choose. All guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States for men and WOMEN. People like you will take us back to when women didn't have the right to vote, when it was legal to have slaves and women were just servants of the men that controlled them. Well , NO THANK YOU, not in my lifetime.

More lies. If your position were based on human rights, then you must admit that the right to live outweighs an implied right to privacy.

And there is no right to kill one's child listed in the constitution. Not in mine anyway. Maybe you can point it out in yours.