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Old 02-23-2008, 05:05 PM
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There is no such thing in this country as "not being able to care for" a child. There is "won't" care for a child, or "don't want to" care for a child but there is no "can't" care for a child in the US. The argument fails because it is based on a lie.




You have to be the most ignorant person in the world to believe something like this. There IS NO argument where this is concerned, every person that has a brain knows there IS "such a thing as not being able to care for " a child. What lie could this possible be based on except the ones that you keep coming up with.
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:08 PM
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wolf, naturemomma, lexi and marmalade, I have a question to ask you in all seriousness and would appreciate a serious answer.

What does the term intellectual honesty mean to you?


Wellll, it certainly doesn't mean Palerider that's for sure!
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:13 PM
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Why would anyone debase themselves to the degree that you four have in order to hold onto a belief (unborns aren't living human beings) that can be proven false with so little effort?

I guess because we're right and you're wrong as usual..
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:58 PM
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a fetus isn't a child. and foster care is not a place anyone wants someone to be. abortion has its consequences and its the hardest choice most women can ever have to make. until you have been there you shouldn't talk. you have no idea what its like
Of course it is a child. Denying it doesn't change the fact. The word child is defined as a young human being below the age of full physical development. That describes unborns.

Since children in foster care aren't killing themselves in great numbers, it stands to reason that foster care is better than death.

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that is not true. I don't even know how to respond to something as assinine as that
Of course it's true. The reason you don't respond is that any claim to the contrary would be very easy to prove wrong. We have social program upon social program to help poor women with children. WIC, food stamps, free daycare, and on and on. Most abortions, however are had by women who are middle class and would have no problem supporting a child.


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you don't even know the function of frontal lobes. you keep saying a fetus can feel pain before week 14. I've always been consistant and have presented both facts and my personal opinion
Of course I know the function of frontal lobes. You, however, don't have a clue. The frontal lobes are involved in motor function, problem solving, spontaneity, memory, language, initiation, judgement, impulse control, and social and sexual behavior. Not pain processing.

It is the parietal lobe that is involved in pain processing, not the frontal lobes. The parietal lobe, however, serves as a filter/discriminator for pain rather than a processing center. The parietal lobe recieves pain impulses from the thalamus and determines whether you are feeling heat as a burn, or sticking or cutting pain, or pressure and it helps determine exactly how bad the pain is. If you damage your parietal lobe, you don't lose the ability to feel pain, you lose the ability to know what sort of pain you are feeling. Since unborns less than 12 or 14 weeks have no pariteal lobe function, they feel pain, but are unable to differentiate it into type or severity. They simply feel mindless agony.

Here are some links describing the function of the frontal lobes.

Frontal Lobe Function

Frontal Lobe Anatomy

Anatomy of the Brain - Frontal Lobes

Neuroscience For Kids - lobes of the brain

As I have said, and proven over and over, practically everything you base your position on is false.
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:04 PM
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You have to be the most ignorant person in the world to believe something like this. There IS NO argument where this is concerned, every person that has a brain knows there IS "such a thing as not being able to care for " a child. What lie could this possible be based on except the ones that you keep coming up with.
Actually lexi, we have established that you are the liar here, not me. In this country, we have program upon program upon program to help poor women raise their children. WIC, food stamps, free daycare, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

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Wellll, it certainly doesn't mean Palerider that's for sure!
So you have no idea what intellectual honesty means?

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I guess because we're right and you're wrong as usual
You believe that being stupid is cute, or endearing? I have news for you, it only makes you look pathetic. If you are right, then step up and prove it; or just say something stupid. There is a certain entertainment value in that as well.
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I guess because we're right and you're wrong as usual..
Please stop writing posts like that.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:13 PM
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The fourth ammendment for example implies privacy, no one can just enter your house and search/take anything. Why? Because your privacy as well as your belongings are protected. Part of your belongings is also your person.

The fifth ammendment states "be a witness against himself" or "be deprived".

Shit, you could also argue that the womens sufferage ammendment of 1920 could also be a reason to say that a woman has a right to choose and privacy. The ammendment states that women have the right to vote (which is private), therfore we have the right to make decisions, thefore we have the right to choose. Crazy - perhaps, but it could be argued nonetheless.

These ammendments may not state the word privacy, but they are implied in several ways, and by the rights they protect. I don't think any of us would want to live in a country where our privacy was not protected. We certainly would not be living in America. For those of you who wouldn't mind having people invade your privacy, perhaps you should move.
The Ten Commandments also says you don't have the right to commit murder. You should change your name from naturemomma to neutermomma. People have abortions because they are selfish worthless souls who lost their moral dignity...You ever heard of adoption? ..."Oh wait I don't wanna go through pregnancy!" Well keep your damn legs closed then...."I have to finish school break out the vacuum and meat hook I have a human life I have to yank out of me before mid exams" "Oh wait I don't want my parents to know I'm pregnant I will lose their respect....Crank up the extraction machine....parents are visiting this weekend" Sick people ....I will pray for you and all people who think they have the RIGHT to murder children.

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Old 02-24-2008, 07:18 PM
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you don't even know the function of frontal lobes. you keep saying a fetus can feel pain before week 14. I've always been consistant and have presented both facts and my personal opinion

So if they don't feel pain they are not human life? What the hell is wrong with you people? God has something for all of you murderers....Do you thank God that your Mother was woman enough to give birth to you, so you could post this bullshit.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:27 PM
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Wolf 22 don't judge until you been there? You are a selfish pig! You couldn't give me one reason why abortion is ok. Your no better than Susan Smith or and father who wipes out his whole family because he thinks his family won't survive without him. If you lived a moral life then you wouldn't have to abort Gods child. I bet you call yourself a Christian? And if not maybe you should look into some serious spiritual help. Today's Society is souless and you are part of the destruction of human existance.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:34 PM
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I bet you call yourself a Christian? And if not maybe you should look into some serious spiritual help. Today's Society is souless and you are part of the destruction of human existance.
I'm athiest and I despise abortion, take that back :angry:
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