Roe v. Wade says it is.

So in true lib fashion you brand me because I have a different view than you and you do not even know me. Medacine is not living on its own. I am not a woman hater. And no it is not about certain life being more important you radical reading crap into it psycho. If a woman comes in after a rape she can be given a pill. It is all about moral reality a woman should not have to live with the tradgedy for the rest of her life is she chooses not to as a result of a violation of HER PRIVATE BODY. A woman should also have the choice if the child endangers her life she did not make that so. But because she decided to have sex willingly and get pregnant well then that was her choice and should take responsability for said choice as should the man who got her pregnant. Excuse me if I did not include that before but it is both of there responsability. Life is not a thing to be toyed with and discarded just because they wanted a good time. Sex is outstanding and I thank god did not screw up with all the playing around I did. But it comes with responsabiltiy and you have to forgive me but ya men have a part in it but hey if a woman don't allow it, it don't happen now does it. So what your pissed because women are the only ones that can have babies? I mean give it a rest trying to attack a logical belief by hitting the outside bullshit of the matter don't work.

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having an abortion is being responcible if its the best option for the situation you are in. people who abort also take the on the responcibilty of the aftermath of abortion.

and as far as women using abotion as birthcontrol- you reap what you sow.
and abortion, like any other medical procedure, carries its risk and the more of them you have the greater the risk and the greater the long term side effects.

Once again I am getting called a liberal because I stand up for a womans right to choose. Funny. That's ok, Jesus, would have been labeled a liberal as well - so I am in good company.

Obviously you do find some life more important than that of another, you just happen to be pissed because you got called on it. And yes, you do hate women, you can't NOW take back all the hateful words used so that you may appear better amoung all of us here. You have been exposed. Your first post clearly stated how you felt, there is no taking it back once you get busted. Aside from that, the words of your second post reflect the same hateful attitude, "if women didn't allow it, then it wouldn't happen". Nice, but you don't hate women. Just blame them completely for an act that it takes two to committ. You throw nicities around to try and cover your real feelings, yet after a few sentences - the real you comes out all over again. Pig.

As for the highlighted red part - YOU made my point. You can't have it both ways. On the subject of life, it is black or white - there is no gray. Her private body. EXACTLY. HER BODY. A woman who is pregnant with that of an unwanted fetus see's only tragedy. It doesn't matter how the fetus came about, only that eveyday it becomes more of a reality and a threat.

It's so easy for people to say just have it. Are you going to buy (and these fall in no particular order), desitin, diapers, wipes, daycare, after school care, summercamp, cd's, dvd's, toys, books, sheets, blankies, pillows, food, formula, shampoo, conditioner, body soap, lotions, anti-biotics, vitamins, allergy meds, cough meds, coloring books, dolls, trucks, pants, skirts, shirts, shoes, dental visits, health insurance, a radio, television, sunny-d, milk, underwear, pull-ups, tutoring, backpacks, school clothes, school snacks, school lunches, play clothes, play sneakers, dress shoes, coats, sweaters, jackets, laundry soap, the rise of the electric bill, toothbrush, toothpaste, oragel, teething cookies, teething rings, walkers, climbers, swings, rollerblades, heelies, skateboards, surfboards, dance lessons, gynastics, soccer, uniforms for whatever sport, instruments according to whatever desire, V-Smile game and cartrides, i-pod, x-box, Wii, guitar, bedroom furniture, - I can go on, (as you can see) but I am over it. Most pro-lifers seem to forget that when a child pops out - all these things come due. And don't forget a child grows and will need new clothes twice yearly - winter and summer, and perhaps some items for fall, depending on where you live. While some items on my list are only afforded to the wealthy, most items will be needs - not wants. And if the mother can't pay - the tax payer does, and ususally the taxpayer doesn't begin to cover it.

Another question to you is this, what kind of mothers do you think these women will make if forced to give birth to a child they don't want? I think we can refer to women such as Andrea Yates, Patricia Blackmon, Debra Milke, and Susan Smith to name a few. I don't even have enought time to mention the countless others who torture, or allow their men to torture, their children.

So, other than bitching, what have you done to fix the problem?

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My point exactly. A panel of judges. A few people say it's so, so it is? Are you that ignorant. There are over 300 million people in this country alone. Over 7 billion in this world. Who gives under a dozen people the right to condone murder while turning around and condeming those guilty to death? What a fucking hypocrisy. Get real. Noone gives a shit about your fake ass morals.

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Let's see...

Kenya's Death Toll Surpasses 1,000, Violence From Disputed December Elections Continues; Talks Between Political Rivals Resume - CBS News

BBC NEWS | Africa | UN's Darfur death estimate soars

Iraq Body Count

Global Challenges | Number of Adult Deaths in South Africa Up 44% Over Past Six Years; Researchers Attribute Rise to HIV/AIDS, Study Says - Kaisernetwork.org

Death.

Um I call it fake pre-vaginal canal morals or the real fake morals.

Worry about the unborn but the living......

F'm.

Ya that's Moral.

Moral bankruptcy.

Why because it's easier to defend a non opinion (not born yet)...but an actual opinion...let's see.

First suppress.
2nd ridicule
3rd kill.

ya moral.

Bullshit.

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Answers:

You try to sound intelligent in your debate and you come off as a dumbass.

1) Jesus condones death. You want people to hear your side, yet you spout incompetence. Jesus never condoned death. He condoned responsibility.

2) Quote. "A woman who is pregnant with that of an unwanted fetus see's only tragedy. It doesn't matter how the fetus came about, only that eveyday it becomes more of a reality and a threat."
ANSWER: Someone is stupid enough to get pregnant and see future as deplorable. That is a reason to kill. First of all, learn how to spell. Makes your argument more acceptable. Second of all, this statement is second rate at best. The fetus becomes a threat? You said it, not me. Why is a child a tragedy? Because it's an inconvenience. That's what you should have said. Doesn't matter how it came about? I'll fuck someone and kill the consequence. What an outstanding, profound statement.

3)All the things a child wants and needs. The list you listed is too long to quote. A parent accepts these things as life. Just like your parents. Bet you are glad your mom didn't have you sucked out, huh? How about your mom killed your ass before you were born. Would that be acceptable? Of course not. It's different, right? Now that you are born it's OK to kill the future. "And don't forget a child grows and will need new clothes twice yearly." My kids need clothes more than twice a year. You don't have a clue. Either that or I feel sorry for your kids wearing high waters and clothes too small. You want to try to scare people? Tell 'em kids need clothes and shoes every 2 months or so. And of course only rich people can afford everything a child needs? Your words. Bullshit. I'm not rich and my kids have everything they need and want. You put down every hard working parent in this country by your statements. We work our ASSES off to support our kids. You say if Mothers can't afford it, tax payers pay? That's your argument? Every woman that gets pregnant has no man that cares. Noone to help? That is the future for women in this country that become pregnant? That is a small percentage. Even with the "Too poor to know the father" argument. You make excuses for peoples actions by describing their circumstance.

4) Quote: "I think we can refer to women such as Andrea Yates, Patricia Blackmon, Debra Milke, and Susan Smith to name a few. I don't even have enought time to mention the countless others who torture, or allow their men to torture, their children."
You name a few crazy ass people and expect everyone to be the same? Yet these women wanted their kids in the beginning. These people are fucked and not good examples. With your argument we can say that all people will molest their children and life isn't worth living due to the fact that everyone wants to kill their offspring. So fuck it. Kill 'Em All.
I have enough time for you to mention every father who tortures their kids. Because that's what we men do, right? Torture our kids, beat our wives, fuck every skank that walks by.

It's clear to me that you are a feminist to the worst degree. Perhaps not lesbian, but a hater of anyone who usurps your authority. Your man, if you have one, is a rug under your feet. He, or she, does what you say. It's a pity.

Let me tell you something. My wife is a bitch, a tyrrant, hard headed, strong willed, stubborn and no nonsense when she needs to be. I never tell her what she needs to do or how to think. I, on the other hand, am a fucking asshole, tyrrant, hard headed, strong willed, stubborn and no nonsense when I need to be. We are the same. Together we make an entity that puts up with no shit. I respect that woman more than I respect anyone, besides my own mother. And, I might add, my mother is a bitch, a tyrrant, hard headed, ... God Bless a woman who isn't afraid to stand up and say fuck you. I am who I am. And God bless a woman who knows how to love her man, her children, her family. A woman is a lioness. A goddess. I bow at that throne and my throne is respected. I was a piece of shit, young punk until my wife of almost 17 years became pregnant. I changed my whole life because of them. You don't even know. Ego, pride and selfishness went out the window when I held that child in my arms. You try to shame every man that became a man by humbling himself to a greater thing than himself.

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And as for your statement, what does the death toll in Africa, or Iraq, have anything to do with abortion? You think someone against abortion is morally bankrupt? Get a fucking life. Seems nowadays everything ties to Iraq. Holler at me when you actually have an opinion about the subject of the thread.

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If it's about killing Which is the CENTER of you point. I have an opinion.

If it's about the future. Well there's plenty of human life that is JESUS concern. NOW alive & with OPINION.

Let me Change it to 9/11 or Afghanistan....

Or the fact that I pointed out many links to premeditated deaths of chosen life....not just Iraq. Idiot.

Something Jesus would find ...issue with.

Let me know when YOU get a clue.

A fetus is not the issue...it's a distraction.

Live, in Human terms is about awareness, something you can pontificate about but not grasp.

A hint. The Sermon on the mount was not towards a bunch of fetuses. As a matter of fact there was no construct about fetus. One was with Child in them days & it was not born until...often times still born...but when alive & surviving the trials & tribulations of the time...worthy of discussion.


Not selective ...fetus....issue, at all.

No.

Choice is about awareness.

Awareness of what & why we bring life into the world it is not only in accordance with Christ but based on our biological 'success' in conjunction with the limitations of our environment 'garden' imperative that we make wise collective choices about our pro-creation.

Not just the fact that we can Jerry Springer fuck shit & it randomly comes to life....& say God did it.

That's weak & shallow bullshit.

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What? I have no idea about what you are saying. Your post is so eclectic, as to be almost unreadable. You make no sense. Seriously. Your post is mish mash. The parts I do understand... Sure, lets compare abortion to 911 or Afghanistan. Are you serious? I'm sure you will come back with a response. But seriously, a normal person is not going to understand, (Quote) "Not just the fact that we can Jerry Springer fuck shit & it randomly comes to life....& say God did it." Huh? For a political forum where I expect a little intelligence beyond the norm, it is so far, lacking.

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