Roe is unconstitutional

36shadow · #**121** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

Wow. Nice language - your right, you don't hate women.

I have been an activist since I was a kid, fighting for one cause or the next, my Granfather taught me it was duty to my country. Back then girls weren't able to join the marines, we could only use our voices. As you can see - I have never stopped. By the way, I spent 4 months in Miami after Andrew hit, I also went to New Orleans, I was part of Paint Tacoma Beautiful, I currently help build houses for Habitat for Humanity. I also volunteer with AIDS children, infants and adults at a local hospital, every x-mas and thanksgiving and Easter, I am at the soup kitchen with my husband and kids. We don't do gifts on x-mas. People can't eat. Seems kinda fuckin' stupid. My Grandfather was a navy cheif, retired, Then he worked as a revenuer. Also a 32nd degree mason. My husband is a navy seal. My brother is in the Airforce. My uncle is a marine. My nephew is in the army. My sister is a marine. This is some of what me and my family have done for this country that we all love and serve - through action. And I can tell you YOU DUMB FUCK - NOT ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMEBERS SERVE(D) ON AMERICAN SOIL. You dumbass. Where is everyone right now - oh ya - Iraq. Idiot.
I believe in helping the global commuity. That's why I served in the PEACE CORP. I don't believe that we are any better than anyone else - I actually value ALL human life. HUMAN is HUMAN.

This goes back to my earlier argument - you value some life more than other!!!!! You think american life is more important than someone in Africa for example. Life is not valuble to you. Control is. Hating women - that feels real good doesn't it?

Any man that has sex with a 13 yr. old should be prosecuted for rape. And yes the girl should have an abortion - what, make her have it. You would think that! Woman hater.

There you go again dyke talking out your ass to someone you don't realy know but asume you do. Besides step brothers every man in my family has served in the military going back for generations. On my moms side my great grandmother headed the first teamsters in Washington state, look her up her last name is WAY they wrote a book on her Her daughter is wood that is my moms mom you can find it in the book. You can also go to yakima where you will find a family cemetary filled with generations of my family that have served and died for this country most in the navy. My grandmother was the only girl out of 13 kids everyone of her brothers joined the navy my grandfather served army a few coast gaurd I was the first Marine in many generations on that side. I wrote a report on my great grandmother once while attending school in puyallup wash she was a woman I looked up to very much as was my grandmother that in her life no one ever herd her say a bad word of anyone. They were very strong minded and willed women that took no shit, with a great capacity for compasion at the same time. That might be why I was so attracted to my wife before I even met her in person. I am 5'9" she is 6'1" and has knocked out two full grown men with one punch two different occasions mind you. She also has a great deal of compasion but takes shit from no one and very smart. See I have always been attracted to a woman that stands up for herself knows what she wants and ain't afraid to fight for it. My wife learned this the longer she dated me but on top of that I need someone strong enough to keep me in check from time to time as I am very strong willed. so see your little assumption is about as far off as your beilief that compromise on an issues is a one sided quest to completely strip a person of there rights.

PaleRider · #**122** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

that is not true.

we have a right to life- thus no murder or injury
liberty- thus no laws that stop us from making out own choices
pursuit of happiness- this and liberty pull in the concept of equality, but also the concept of property (thus no theft)

be realistic

Since you understand the concept of "right to life" maybe you should dig a bit into the founding documents of this country. You will find that this nation was founded on the idea that we come into being with the right to live. Not that we are born to the right to live, or that the economic station to which we are born entitles us to certain rights or that we are given the right to live when we are born, but that it is ours from the time we come into being. We get it from no one. It is ours by virtue of being human beings and it is the government's primary duty to protect that right.

Since we are human beings from the time fertilization is complete that is the time at which we come into being. You have existed as the individual you are since the time your fertilization was complete. That was the time at which you came into being and you have been that individual ever since. You had the right to live since the very first moment of your life. The fact that your mother cound have denied you that right is due to a gross misscarriage of justice by an activist court.

By the way, it is legislating morality to make behaviors that run contrary to our rights illegal. It is imoral to kill an individual who has the right to live. It is imoral to steal from an individual who owns the property. It is imoral to imprison a free individual without a trial. Most laws legislate morality.

PaleRider · #**123** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Carson

Stop it with your universal bullshit. The difference is abortion is a law that is impossible to enforce. I say we eradicate all laws that are impossible to enforce.

How old are you? I ask because you argue like a child. The fact is that abortion is not impossible to enforce any more than drug laws are impossible to enfoce or gambling laws are impossible to enforce, or arson laws are impossible to enforce. Check the legal records prior to roe and you will find that a very large number of doctors were punished for performing illegal abortions. Making abortion illegal won't stop all abortions but then making murder legal didn't stop all murders either. It just gives us a means with which to punish those who do it anyway.

Name a law that prevents the behavior it outlaws entirely. And for Pete's sake, try thinking just a tiny bit below the surface of your arguments before you write them down. Debating you is like shooting fish in a barrel.

PaleRider · #**124** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

What about stealing a womans uterus for 40 weeks? Nothing wrong with thath though, huh? Because that suits your morality just fine.

Look up the definition of stealing. Clearly a woman's uterus is not being stolen. If you can't form an argument without unilatarally redefining words in order to make that argument work, then you don't have an argument. Words mean what they mean. Try again without re-defining words.

PaleRider · #**125** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

constituion.

The constitution doesn't give you any rights. The constitution establishes a government and sets up the "bylaws" by which that government is to protect the rights that you had anyway by virtue of being a human being.

PaleRider · #**126** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Carson

hey I agree but don't fall back on that, the fact is you can't stop abortion so why try so more can die?

You can't stop murder, armed robbery, arson, aggrivated assault, or speeding so why try?

PaleRider · #**127** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Carson

I don't see where that would be worse than whats going on now

Maybe you should move to a nation that is ruled by a dictator so that you can see exactly where it is worse than the system you live under now.

PaleRider · #**128** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

It's funny that you make this point. I was talking to my husband about this the other day.... I was saying that we as Americans should gather our guns and over throw our government. My husband, being the more sensible one, reminded me that we would all go to jail quicker than shit. As much as our declarations written by the forefahers gives us this right - our government has reached a point where it is large and mighty, many people are passive and just don't give a shit. They'd rather get their latte at Starbucks for $6.25 and fuck the constitution and everything that affords them the ability to drink their fuckin' latte.

Funny, and tragic. Here you are talking about protecting the constitution while at the same time arguing to continue to deny a certain class of human beings the very right to live in this country. Check the founding documents of this country. The founders acknowledged that we come into being with certain rights, not that we were born with certain rights and they set up a government to protect those rights. So how do you square your wish to "set the government right" with your wish to continue to deny a whole class of human beings who can't speak for themselves the most basic human right we have?

PaleRider · #**129** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

actually most women who get abortions are fine and even if they have some regret- they agree that its was the best option for them.

Obviously you aren't aware that the single fastest growing group of suicides in the country is women who have had abortions?

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

a fetus is not a baby. nor is it alive.

You keep saying that in spite of the fact that I provided you with plenty of credible science that says otherwise. Provide some credible science that states that an unborn is not alive or stop repeating that bald faced lie.

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

-and I do not pick and choose parts of the constitution.

of course you do. Everyone who supports abortion picks and chooses and the parts that you choose don't even exist within the constitution.

PaleRider · #**130** (**permalink**) 02-12-2008, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

Hey, why don't you check to see what tri-mester they were in. YUP, that's right, 2nd and beyond, I believe most of thse laws start at 24 weeks. Most, if not all, of these cases - the baby could have lived outside the mother - thus making it a baby - not a fetus. There are NO fetus protection laws. Look it up. Dare ya.

Baby, fetus, embryo, toddler, blastocyst, child, zygote, old geezer.

All of these are nouns that we use to describe a human being at various stages of their life. People who use certain words in an attempt to dehumanize an unborn human being so that they can justify denying that human being his or her inalienable rights are exactly the same as people who use words like ni##er and coon in an attempt to dehumanize blacks so that they can justify denying them their inalenable rights.

Unborns are exactly as human as you. Any law that denys them their most basic human rights are no different than laws that once denied blacks their most basic human rights.