"What gibberish. Do you not recognize the difference between a natural death and deliberate killing? Is any part of your position based on fact?"

but in order to rule something natural it must be investigated. many states have rules that say any deathes that happen at home need to be investigated and if at all possible there has to be an autopsy.
(I had two uncles in TX who died. The first shot himself in the head. there was an investigation and an autopsy. the other was dying of chronic infections due to diabetes and neuropithy, which after a while will kill you. they still investigated and did an autopsy)

there is also a such thing as negligent homicide- were a pregnant woman to not care for her and her (fetus) baby correctly and it died (miscarriage), she is responcible.
and some abortions seem like miscarriages. RU-486 basicly triggers a miscarriage (so do some heart medications). we'd have to ensure it was a real miscarriage.

you can't write the law for a fetus to be a person, but treat it differently from other born persons.

and as far as slavery goes- the two are incomparable. plain and simple

If there is probable cause that a woman killed her child, what would be the problem with investigating? It is quite easy to determine whether a woman had a period or if she had an abortion. In the absence of probable cause, however, the authorities are not allowed to investigate.

And I have no problem at all with charging a woman who neglegently harmed or killed her unborn than I would charging a woman who neglegently harmed or killed her toddler. In either instance, a human being has been harmed or killed due to the neglegence of another.

Of course, if abortion is made illegal then substances like RU-486 will be banned and if probable cause exists to investigate a woman's miscarriage and RU-486 or some other such substance is found in her system, then she should be charged and punished appropriately.

I never suggested that they be treated differently. If they are killed, then their killer should be punished.

Sorry, they are analogous. It is undeniable that unborns are human beings. You can not kill another human being without legal consequence unless you are defending your life. The only exception to that in this country was the killing of a slave. The owner of the slave could decide whether that slave lived or died for any reason he chose. Today, a woman has the same power over another human being. She decides whether it lives or dies and she can kill it for any or no reason at all. For all intents, and purposes, as the law stands today, the woman owns her child and can do with it as she pleases.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Wow I guess black chicks are sluts

but every miscarriage is probable cause. and the fact that 30% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage means we must check to see if those miscarriages were not induced intentionally or accidently. and most women who miscarry think they simply only had a period because many miscarry within the first 4-8 weeks.


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And I have no problem at all with charging a woman who neglegently harmed or killed her unborn than I would charging a woman who neglegently harmed or killed her toddler. In either instance, a human being has been harmed or killed due to the neglegence of another. [/quote]

this is what I have an issue with. now women are property of the state. they can't play sports- they may injure the 'child'. or any heavy lifting. better not have rough sex, just to be safe.
I could go on and on about the ways you can miscarry. some women are sturdy and have no issues being physically active and pregnant- but others miscarry. or accidently get injured while being active.
and yes those cases would be neglegence or depraived indifference.

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Of course, if abortion is made illegal then substances like RU-486 will be banned and if probable cause exists to investigate a woman's miscarriage and RU-486 or some other such substance is found in her system, then she should be charged and punished appropriately.[/quote]

what is she didn't know she was pregnant?
will we still charge her?
should we ban all medications that can induce a miscarriage? there are a lot of those.

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I never suggested that they be treated differently. If they are killed, then their killer should be punished
Sorry, they are analogous. It is undeniable that unborns are human beings. You can not kill another human being without legal consequence unless you are defending your life. The only exception to that in this country was the killing of a slave. The owner of the slave could decide whether that slave lived or died for any reason he chose. Today, a woman has the same power over another human being. She decides whether it lives or dies and she can kill it for any or no reason at all. For all intents, and purposes, as the law stands today, the woman owns her child and can do with it as she pleases.[/quote]

no they aren't.
a slave is a live person. that thinks and feels.
a fetus lacks the abilty to think until week 14- when its frontal lobes grow in. it also can't feel until that time.

we trust women to make the choices that concern them and their bodies. and often abortion is done for the fetus. because no one wants to bring a child into the world if there isn't food to feed it, money to clothe it, adequate shelter from the elements, ect.

and what people seem to forget is that taking away women's choices means making them into property.
and one day that could lead to forced abortions. like if the property/woman has produced an undesirble 'child'.

So, you should be able to brutally murder a baby...because it's in your body, your veiw is strange...but not uncommon.

when its you body, then you can have an opinion

With you and others like you it isn't about babies at all, it's about CONTROL and nothing else. You sorry little asses have no control in your own lives so you try to control everyone else's lives. I control my own body and if you don't like that well that's tough. Live with it.

I see you're screaming for attention again..

I see you still have nothing intelligent to say.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

If intelligence is what you put on here then I'll pass on it thank you.