Originally Posted by Joyfulwoman

Yes, I do Onewhiteduck, yes I do. And that link was lovely.

Cookie...It was nice to see you words of comfort to another poster about his experience with abortion. When you say I am sorry for your loss to him...(I honestly am asking in a sincere way, I would never be ugly with this) what exactly do you mean? The loss of his potential child?

Still wondering, is it ok to kill a preemie that is on tubes, or a 6 month old since they can not self sustain???

I wasn't on my own volition calling you a hypocrit, I was stating that according to your own logic, you would have to be, but I think at this point it kind of , ooh sorry didn't realize how yucky that pic is, but the point remains...

Peach, thanks for your nice words to me...
just a few things because I want to understand you. You believe that abortion is not destroying a unique creation of God because God isn't necessarily involved nor does He care about the flesh. And that it is not truly a life until the first breath? I think I have that right, right?

Jeremiah 1:15 "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you." God is telling us through Holy Scripture that I formed you ...I.

Ps. 22:10 "From my mother's womb, you have been my God" showing the covenant between man and God starts in the womb

Or, are these more scriptures that, in your opinion, God doesn't mean anymore? Or are "special cases" like John leaping in Elizabeth's womb??

I have so much going on here, and honestly I have become a little too much with the computer, so please bear with me, If I don't check back right away....oh I forgot, Peach, I didn't understand, maybe I didn't read it thoroughly, about what you were saying about company that I might be keeping ?

Take Care all!!

Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

I have to agree that there should be some say so in the matter from the man...but something legal where the woman can get the economical support from him and or his parents should he decide later on to split.

There are many men raising children whom women abandon...and some consideration should be given to a man who fathers a child and wants to raise the child....I totally agree with that...and I think that's a valid point.

I don't think, however, you can classify the majority of decisions to abort as being from "irresponsible" women. These are tough decisions...and not easily lived with after they are made....but at some point the woman must decide if there is no man involved in wanting to care for the child or commit themselves and their parents to financial support. If she is alone in this decision, then it must be hers to make. She alone will bear the responsibility to raise the child and provide for it a childhood which prepares it for adulthood and she alone must make the decision. If you will notice, the decision for the woman alone is up to 3 months...after that, according to Roe v. Wade, the decision must be made in conjunction with a doctor....that, for me, represents the child....

I think we need to see what the privacy issues are here and if they are overturned for women, then what right does a man have to privacy of his medical records....without privacy of our sexual lives and our medical records, what discrimination can follow? Being denied a job? Denied health insurance? Denied treatment for one disease because your records indicate you have a family history of another disease? Just like with spying on us with our emails and phone calls, the government's ability to spy on us in the bedroom and our medical records creates a Big Brother Communist state I'm not ready to give into...

Originally Posted by marmalade6

In these cases, the Fed. courts are forced to weigh the rights of the mother v. the rights of the state.

Ultimate Human Life Amendment - Brief Overview, MS People's Initiative #23 - Ultimate Human Life Amendment - State of Mississippi

Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

If the woman does not give birth because she aborted her child can we award her the title mother or is murderer a more apt title?