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the crux of her anger is that a woman can have an abortion but the goverment is still not providing mass healthcare to our citizens paid for by the goverment, ie taxes, and also the Iraq is being fought without her consent.
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11-11-2007, 04:17 PM
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the crux of her anger is that a woman can have an abortion but the goverment is still not providing mass healthcare to our citizens paid for by the goverment, ie taxes, and also the Iraq is being fought without her consent.
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I've noticed that too Rob. For some reason,,,there are certain females that think they deserve to kill the unwanted babies they produce thru their own stupidity with Taxes supplied by everyone else.
Go figure... 
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11-11-2007, 04:58 PM
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Big deal, its an opinion piece full of generalities and supposition. Prostitution laws say that women can't choose, why don't you go on a crusade to allow women to sell their body? Thats about choice also, and that seems to be the basis for yoru argument.
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What? WTF are you talking about boy? Bring forth to me the correlation of the prostitution and abortion, please.
And what "Opinion piece"? It's nicely documented. Didn't read it as is your and all your socks wont. |
11-11-2007, 04:59 PM
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the crux of her anger is that a woman can have an abortion but the goverment is still not providing mass healthcare to our citizens paid for by the goverment, ie taxes, and also the Iraq is being fought without her consent.
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Really? I'd love to see that highlighted in the argument presented here...is it mine? Please quote where I have presented this. Is it in the article itself?
Seems to me, rob, you can't argue against this..you have no stand on this issue save the anti-choice for women. |
11-11-2007, 05:00 PM
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I've noticed that too Rob. For some reason,,,there are certain females that think they deserve to kill the unwanted babies they produce thru their own stupidity with Taxes supplied by everyone else.
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Ah, another male opinion.....please provide the sources for this hugely ignorant claim...I'd love to see that "certain female"... |
11-11-2007, 05:04 PM
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When one of sound mind and body knowingly engages in act knowing its outcome they must be held accountable for that act. Just as one who enters into a contract can't disaffirm it unless proven not of sound mind and body or a minor. Sex=procreation, simple as that. Other than acts of rape and incest an innocent being I believe shouldn't be killed as a means of a feminist shouting girl power. Most woman I know that have had an abortion, have had more than one believe me. Just because it can be performed doesn't make it right. The problem is a question of morality. Thats for another post.
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What? Honey, if you're having sex with all the options of possible pregnancy being eliminated, then you need to deflate the doll and get out in the real world.
Sex is something pleasureable and if you think everytime it's done people are thinking of the consequences than your head is further up your perverbial butt than I have EVER seen.
Sorry, but this failed even during Biblical times. Abortion and unwanted pregnancies are part of what happens in human nature ..... if YOU don't do it then great.....but you have no right telling the rest of humanity to get an inflated doll so you can control your sex....some people actually enjoy sex...
It's like telling this nation we don't need car, home nor health insurance. Everyone knows how to keep healthy, how to drive safely and keep their home risk free and safe from fire....DO IT!! |
11-11-2007, 05:05 PM
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Who have they killed?
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I'm speaking of the zealots described in this piece who have killed abortion doctors and nurses.....Prochoice never killed an anti-choice person... |
11-11-2007, 05:07 PM
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Other than getting this from the Site you offer us: The website is unable to display the webpage,,,
I'll be the first here to stand up for your Right to Abort any, and all unwanted "Babies" you produce Cookie.
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Oh, sweetie...I'm sorry...the link works...but your head has to be out of your ass to see it....sorry, I should have said something earlier to you...and it's not my right...I have a right to choose....you have no right telling me what I may or may not do with my body...no matter how macho you may think that is...
here's another quote from the site...
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Christian opposition to abortion is based on a number of sources. The Didache, a short early Christian treatise, specifically prohibits abortion. The Bible, unlike the Didache, makes no specific mention of abortion, although it does mention unborn life several times. For example, Luke 1:44 cites Elizabeth exclaiming to the Virgin Mary, "Behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb (John the Baptist) leaped for joy". Jeremiah 1:4-5, retelling God's appointing of Jeremiah to be a prophet, says: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you". Such passages have been interpreted to reveal the personhood of an embyro/fetus.[13]
The Catholic Church teaches that "abortion is a grave sin against the natural law."[14] It believes that human life is sacred, and begins at conception. Under this view, abortion is equivalent to murder, and there are no permissible exceptions. When the life of the woman is in jeopardy, it is permissible to obtain life-saving treatment which may have the secondary effect of killing the fetus, but no direct action may be taken against the fetus/embryo itself, and all life-sustaining options must be exhausted. (An example is chemotherapy treatment for a pregnant woman with uterine cancer.) It also ascribes to a Consistent Life Ethic: euthanasia, the death penalty, unjust war, embryo research, in vitro fertilization (which involves discarded embryos), artificial contraception (of which some methods may prevent implantation of a zygote in the uterine lining), and abortion are all condemned as violence. Church law provides that anyone who directly participates in an abortion is automatically excommunicated (provided they are aware of this penalty at the time of the act)[15] A valid sacramental confession remits this penalty. In accord with its opposition to abortion, the Catholic Church provides support to pregnant women in "crisis pregnancies," as well as to low income families.
Other Christian denominations hold varying positions on abortion. Conservative, evangelical, or fundamentalist Christian groups are more likely to oppose abortion, whereas liberal or mainline Protestant churches are more likely to allow for it.
The Christian Alliance for Progress, most notably, has come out in opposition of abortion, but has advocated a program of assistance and prevention as opposed to the criminalization of abortion, opposes the death penalty, but maintains a neutral stance on euthanasia. Their views have often brought them into conflict with other Christians.[citation needed] The Quakers have declined to express an official view on abortion or euthanasia, but as a pacifist organization, they oppose the death penalty.
Hinduism
Hinduism is vague on abortion. While Hinduism teaches that abortion is a great crime and one of the worst sins, it does not define the stage at which the embryo is considered a living being. It speaks only of the murder of unborn children. It teaches that a fetus is a living, conscious person deserving of protection. However, according to Hindu Mythology, there are 16 Samskaarams or Sanskaars during the life cycle of an individual (Soul) which starts pre-birth at Garbhadhaan (Conception). This gives us an insight that life is considered to begin at conception itself. In fact, one of the seven legendary immortals or Chiranjeevin in Hinduism, Ashwatthama, was cursed by Lord Krishna, avatar of Vishnu to immortality and eternal suffering partly for killing the fetus, later born as Parikshit, grandson of Arjuna when he was in his mother's womb. Parakashit was born stillborn but was raised from the dead by Shri Krishna.[16][17][18]
Islam
Islamic opposition is based equally on the concept that abortion is considered murder. Islam does provide for some exceptions where abortion is permissible, such as when the woman's life is in jeopardy. According to a hadith (Sahih Bukhari 54:430 and 55:549), the fetus is not considered alive until the 40th day after conception.[19]
While the more moderate Islamic view of "ending life only when absolutely necessary" is generally more universal among Muslims, a number of Christian groups, as well as members of the Jewish faith, have broken off from mainstream opposition to present a more ambiguous view, particularly on themes of abortion and euthanasia.
Judaism
Jews are considerably divided in terms of life issues. Adherents to Orthodox Judaism are particularly stringent in these matters, as Judaism stresses the sanctity of life above virtually all other considerations. (Commandments for which one must accept death rather than violate include only murder, idolatry/apostasy, and forbidden sexual relations.) According to halakha (Jewish law) abortion is prohibited once 40 days have passed since conception. Before 40 days have passed, most poskim (Jewish legal decisors) still generally prohibit abortion, though this interval is considered a period of lenience. If a pregnancy threatens the life of the woman, all agree that the fetus must be aborted in order to save the woman's life.[20]
Other denominations of Judaism (Reform, Conservative, etc.) espouse more liberal interpretations of the traditional texts, or often reject them outright as irrelevant or outdated. Consequently, adherents to these movements often take a more liberal stance on abortion issues.
Secular
Some pro-life individuals hold no religious convictions, and rely upon non-religious sources to base their arguments. Even some of those who are religious have used non-sectarian justifications when making public policy arguments, including some prominent pro-life politicians (for example, U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan[21] and George W. Bush,[22] and U.S. Senator Sam Brownback[23]). One of the more prominent secular pro-lifers is Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice.
Many disciplines of philosophy may be implemented in the formation of a secular pro-life viewpoint. Some make use of natural law theory, which would emphasize the primacy of the right-to-life as the most fundamental human right guaranteed by law.
Biologically speaking, the zygote created at fertilization possesses a unique genome of human DNA, and many of the biological manifestations of a living organism. Pro-lifers assert that this constitutes membership in the human species, and therefore conclude that the deliberate harming of human embryos and fetuses is morally objectionable. Other pro-life arguments may hold that destruction of human embryos and fetuses constitutes discrimination against them, based on their stage of development.
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See....seems to work for the left...but then no heads up asses over here.!!! |
11-11-2007, 05:17 PM
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Posted by Cookie Parker:
Oh, sweetie...I'm sorry...the link works...but your head has to be out of your ass to see it....sorry, I should have said something earlier to you...and it's not my right...I have a right to choose....you have no right telling me what I may or may not do with my body...no matter how macho you may think that is...
As I said before Cookie, Please, Abort at your pleasure. As much as you want, and as often as needed. As is your Right... But, your Rights stop at the Taxpayers Pocketbook. You can be a slut in heat all you want without anyone elses money...
Sweetie.
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Really? I'd love to see that highlighted in the argument presented here...is it mine? Please quote where I have presented this. Is it in the article itself?
Seems to me, rob, you can't argue against this..you have no stand on this issue save the anti-choice for women.
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For your information, I am pro choice but I am against public funds being used for the purpose of abortion. Hell every county health department will freely give birth control out when asked. I am also going on record to say that I am opposed to any universal healthcare plan that I have read about. If the goverment wants to help, let them tell the insurance lobby that they are being required to provide affordable healthcare to all that need it.
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