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11-12-2007, 12:19 PM
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Abortion is legal. Murder is illegal....again, you want me to buy into your idea of your religious beliefs. I believe a woman has a right to decide her own body and life. Prostitution is a legal issue. If men wouldn't be willing to pay for it, it would be a mute point.
the decision for an abortion is the woman's...she will live with that decision the rest of her life. If you force all conceptions to birth, I doubt you'll give a damn about the children
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Still avoiding. The legality has nothing to do with it dummy. You said so yourself when you said that you would still fight for abortion rights if it were made ilelgal. Thing is, you have established that you are not so concerned with freedom of choice as you are what you think is right and what is wrong.
Prostitution is about choice and that choice does not infringe on any other person's rights. It is hypocritical for you to talk about freedom of choice when you won't allow it in this instance. What you should have done is say that you think prostitution should be legal and you would fight for it . . . but you didn't and I knew you wouldn't.
Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.
I have said nothing about religion Cookie, nothing at all. You are making that up.
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11-12-2007, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
Abortion is legal. Murder is illegal....again, you want me to buy into your idea of your religious beliefs. I believe a woman has a right to decide her own body and life. Prostitution is a legal issue. If men wouldn't be willing to pay for it, it would be a mute point.
the decision for an abortion is the woman's...she will live with that decision the rest of her life. If you force all conceptions to birth, I doubt you'll give a damn about the children
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Cookie, leave it to our esteemed conservatives to not critically think about the different variable aspects that eventually revolves back to abortion in general. Conservative thought (or lack thereof) makes it extremely difficult for their ilk to understand the serious issues of the day......you either succumb and agree with their ideology and beliefs or conservatives want nothing to do with you.
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11-12-2007, 12:23 PM
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Another example of your arguments getting worse and worse. You are so flustered (or maybe truly that dumb, don't know) that you would actually try to make this argument which was retardedly easy to squash.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/252740-post94.html
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11-12-2007, 12:24 PM
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Cookie, leave it to our esteemed conservatives to not critically think about the different variable aspects that eventually revolves back to abortion in general. Conservative thought (or lack thereof) makes it extremely difficult for their ilk to understand the serious issues of the day......you either succumb and agree with their ideology and beliefs or conservatives want nothing to do with you.
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Glad you wieghed in Rasta, because if anyone should have been aborted it would have been you. Now, maybe you can help Cookie answer a shit load of questions she seems to have avoided . . . but you won't, because you are just as stupid as she is.
It was kind of funny that you picked the post you did to quote while talking about lack of thought, because that was exactly what Cookie's post was. It was a stupid argument and I look forward to you supporting that argument for her. Are you up to it Rasta?
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11-12-2007, 12:46 PM
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Still avoiding. The legality has nothing to do with it dummy. You said so yourself when you said that you would still fight for abortion rights if it were made ilelgal. Thing is, you have established that you are not so concerned with freedom of choice as you are what you think is right and what is wrong.
Prostitution is about choice and that choice does not infringe on any other person's rights. It is hypocritical for you to talk about freedom of choice when you won't allow it in this instance. What you should have done is say that you think prostitution should be legal and you would fight for it . . . but you didn't and I knew you wouldn't.
Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.
I have said nothing about religion Cookie, nothing at all. You are making that up.
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Legality has everything to do with the correlation. Now, as a woman's issue do I think prostitution should be legalized? Sure. then a woman has control over her body. Now, she is run by a male pimp and is told it is illegal.
It is illegal to prostitute. If you so choose to do that, then you face prosecution. If you choose to have an abortion, you are making a choice which is legally yours to make.
You morals leave a lot to be desired. And you continually fail to answer the rights of a person to impose his desire to control his sex onto a woman in rape. Does that impose on another person's rights? Whose? Is it illegal? how? can't a make date and/or marry a woman and have sex with her? Why is it illegal to do it then if she doesn't want it but he does? doesn't he have rights with his body? how about it ? Where is your response to those very issues you raise, Dom1?
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11-12-2007, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN
Cookie, leave it to our esteemed conservatives to not critically think about the different variable aspects that eventually revolves back to abortion in general. Conservative thought (or lack thereof) makes it extremely difficult for their ilk to understand the serious issues of the day......you either succumb and agree with their ideology and beliefs or conservatives want nothing to do with you.
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And it's not even issues...it's their definition of "moral" which flip flops and changes as much as the bible and their political ideals.
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11-12-2007, 12:49 PM
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Another example of your arguments getting worse and worse. You are so flustered (or maybe truly that dumb, don't know) that you would actually try to make this argument which was retardedly easy to squash.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/252740-post94.html
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And yet, I have answered each and every one of your questions, unlike you, and I have stayed on topic with this thread, unlike you.
Trolling may be your passion, but you suck even at that, Dom1.
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11-12-2007, 12:53 PM
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Still avoiding it I see.
First, you are the one who came up with the hypothetical of molestation and rape being legal you stupid bitch, go back and read your own posts. You tried to equate them to choice for some reason but they have no bearing on choice for the precise reasons I gave.
I already gave my opinion on your stupid hypothetical Cookie, can't you read? Or are you so flustered by getting your ass handed to you that you aer skipping around not really knowing what you say from one post to the next?
Prostitution is about what a woman can and can't do with her body. You say it is only a legal issue, but if abortion were to be made illegal then it to would just be a legal issue, under the same rationale you gave earlier. Getting tired of getting your ass kicked Cookie?
All you had to do was say why you aren't fighting for a woman's right to sell her body. That shouldn't have been hard for someone who really cared about rights and not just what they think is right and wrong.
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Let's go back to the beginning of the deviation from the topic which was your failed attempt at making prostitution and abortion the same issue.
Prostitution, if you would have bothered to have read what I wrote, is illegal. A woman can indeed choose to be a prostitute but it is with suffering the consequences of it that she chooses that freedom. Abortion is a freedom a woman has a right to choose. The Pro-Life argument is NOT about respect of life, but an anti-choice argument men make to take control over women.
This thread is about the phoniness of those who declare themselves to be "pro-Life", replete with a great source that spelled out the many and various ways it is used and followed. Your inability to read the article and provide an issue to discuss shows in your strawman argument of prostitution and abortion being "free will" decisions from women. Prostitution is far too complicated of a social issue to state all women "choose" prostitution. Start another thread and we can discuss it. It has no correlation with abortion. It is illegal. Abortion is legal.
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11-12-2007, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
Legality has everything to do with the correlation. Now, as a woman's issue do I think prostitution should be legalized? Sure. then a woman has control over her body. Now, she is run by a male pimp and is told it is illegal.
It is illegal to prostitute. If you so choose to do that, then you face prosecution. If you choose to have an abortion, you are making a choice which is legally yours to make.
You morals leave a lot to be desired. And you continually fail to answer the rights of a person to impose his desire to control his sex onto a woman in rape. Does that impose on another person's rights? Whose? Is it illegal? how? can't a make date and/or marry a woman and have sex with her? Why is it illegal to do it then if she doesn't want it but he does? doesn't he have rights with his body? how about it ? Where is your response to those very issues you raise, Dom1?
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You said legality has everything to do with it but you also said that if abortion was illegal that you would fight for it to be legal . . . see the problem inherent in your argument Cookie? You contradict yourself and I really do think that you are so dumb that you don't realize it.
You finally answered the question Cookie, after making what had to be humiliating arguments (and you still are above).
Now, your questions, which I don't avoid, unlike you have and still are Cookie.
The answer to your questions.
Pertaining to the rights of a person to impose their will by rape.
First Cookie, I already answered that one twice and it is apparent that you can't fucking read. I even made fun of you for being a border line retard for making that idiotic argument and gave my reason why - I will do so again. Rape requires one to infringe on someone else'e rights, so it is not even close to comparable. The only person that could think they were would be a moron such as yourself.
The other questions I answered such as it imposing on other's rights, and I have no idea why you are asking it since I already said they did several times while making fun of you for being foolish enough to compare the two.
With your very questions you demonstrate your stupidity for comparing the two issues. Great job Cookie.
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11-12-2007, 01:00 PM
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And yet, I have answered each and every one of your questions, unlike you, and I have stayed on topic with this thread, unlike you.
Trolling may be your passion, but you suck even at that, Dom1.
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You suck at making arguments, I had you toungue tied and saying that prostitution is irrelevant because it is illegal AND then you said if abortion were illegal you would fight for it. Idiot.
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
Let's go back to the beginning of the deviation from the topic which was your failed attempt at making prostitution and abortion the same issue.
Prostitution, if you would have bothered to have read what I wrote, is illegal. A woman can indeed choose to be a prostitute but it is with suffering the consequences of it that she chooses that freedom. Abortion is a freedom a woman has a right to choose. The Pro-Life argument is NOT about respect of life, but an anti-choice argument men make to take control over women.
This thread is about the phoniness of those who declare themselves to be "pro-Life", replete with a great source that spelled out the many and various ways it is used and followed. Your inability to read the article and provide an issue to discuss shows in your strawman argument of prostitution and abortion being "free will" decisions from women. Prostitution is far too complicated of a social issue to state all women "choose" prostitution. Start another thread and we can discuss it. It has no correlation with abortion. It is illegal. Abortion is legal.
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Letgality doesn't matter Cookie, you said so yourself. You said if abortion were illegal then you would fight for it to be legal - are you taking that back now? If not then you are saying that legality of the issue does not matter.
Your "it doesn't matter because it is illegal" argument is real weak and also you are having a tough time reconciling it with your statement that you would fight for aboriton rights if htey were illegal, aren't you?
I never said all women choose prostitution Cookie, you are making that shit up as usual.
It has a perfect correlation because both are about a woman's right to choose when it comes to her body.
If a woman has a right to kill her baby then she should have the right to sell her vagina. Pretty simple concept really.
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