New documentary takes unflinching look at abortion in US

Dom1 · #41 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Nate

Little primer here for you.

Is murder wrong?...........Lets assume you get that right and say yes.

Is incest wrong?.... Again lets assume you get that right and say yes.

Is greed wrong ? .... Again lets assume you reach way down in that numb brain of yours and say yes.

Is abortion a worse crime than murder of a new born baby?

Is insect perpetrated against a 2 year old bad Nate?

There in is the connection nate. I know its hard for a uneducated , nonsensical person like you Nate. But many bad things happen in this world every day. As you read this Nate somebody is being murdered or staving to death . And there is not a thing you or I can do about it Nate.

That is the moral of the story Nate. Think real hard and you'll eventually get it.

What the fuck does any of this have to do with abortion and whether it should be legal or not?

Are you really this stupid, Billy?

Please tell us what this has to do with abortion and the legality of abortion. (my prediction: no way she even attempts this, but I could be wrong, maybe she will make herself look even more foolish by attempting to rationalize this)

crowonapost · #42 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Speaking of backing up words Billy (lerch), I remember a wager you were wanting to make a while back. Why don't you take your own advice and either back up your words or admit you are wrong Billy.

Here ya go Billy, I thought I would quote it again just to see you run away. That is your MO.

Oh Great Dom now you are going to unleash the Shrilly PMS monkeys to start harassing you again.

nathanbforrest45 · #43 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:10 PM

The issue of this entire thread has been abortion. That is the reason the thread exist. Not to discuss charitible contributions or incest or anything else, its ABORTION. Go back to the orginal posting. So, dearie, I am not the one changing the subject. You and your alterego Cookie are by bringing in the side issues of support if the child is born.

The argument is ABORTION, and while I personally cannot stop you or anyone else from murdering your unborn children I can certainly speak out against it. I can't stop murder or incest or floridation of the drinking water either but I can voice my opinion regarding it.

Once again, the issue is ABORTION. Is it right or is it wrong? All of the other smokescreens you have thrown up will not change the nature of ABORTION in and of itself being wrong.

freedomlover · #44 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

What percentage of children in foster care are abused or mistreated? 50% 60% 90%?????

Obviously there are issues in some cases with foster care. But to paint with a broad brush all foster parents as abusers or potential abusers is criminal. Its like painting all Catholic priest as pedeophiles. Out of 10,000 priest in this county a very small percentage were proven to be so, maybe 1 tenth of 1 percent. If you had 100 $20.00 bills in your wallet and discovered that one of them was a counterfeit would you throw away the other 99 just in case? By ending foster care because of a few bad apples is the same idea.

This makes the second time today that you have stated something against me that isn't true. I didn't use a broad brush or a generalization. I did NOT say that ALL of foster care was bad. If you are going to attack someone, try reading what they wrote first Nathan. Hell you even quoted me and then posted bullshit against it.

Dom1 · #45 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

I know your a hypocrite Nate , that's really all that needs to be said.

As is my own father. He wants them born just like you Nate.

But after they are born he does not want a dime of his tax money to go for their up keep.

That is pure and simple hypocritical . Honestly I cannot figure it out , if you people are hypocritical or mentally ill.

Would hypocritical also be supporting abortion but saying that under no circumstances can we have a premptive war? Or is that just you cherry picking what you want from the Bible?

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

All right idiot boy.

How about some links? Links with numbers and statistics would be nice.

Let me clue you in Nate , although I know your capacity for logical reasoning sucks I will give it a try anyway.

I work for lots of charities . None of them and I mean none , receive enough private donations to do half the work that needs done.

But you go first idiot boy , find me some statistics to support your view that private charities can take care of all the sick unfortunates and fatherless in this country ......................Then I will go.

To be fair I must warn you , I have my facts and figures already , I wrote a college thesis on the subject last year.

So you first Nate..............I say you are wrong and I can prove it.

FIrst of all, you didn't write a college thesis on anything you igorant hillbilly.

Second of all, what does this have to do with abortion being legal or illegal?

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

It's funny Nate that was the FIRST sentence that popped into my head when I read that statement from Peach.

I know! I read Nathan's post and her response to it and had to go back and read both a few more times . . . . I still didn't know what the hillbilly was talking about.

She will run away or try changing the topic to something which has nothing to do with abortion. Or perhaps she will bring someone else along and boost her own confidence by telling herself how pretty she is.

nathanbforrest45 · #46 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Nate

Little primer here for you.

Is murder wrong?...........Lets assume you get that right and say yes.

Is incest wrong?.... Again lets assume you get that right and say yes.

Is greed wrong ? .... Again lets assume you reach way down in that numb brain of yours and say yes.

Is abortion a worse crime than murder of a new born baby?

Is insect perpetrated against a 2 year old bad Nate?

There in is the connection nate. I know its hard for a uneducated , nonsensical person like you Nate. But many bad things happen in this world every day. As you read this Nate somebody is being murdered or staving to death . And there is not a thing you or I can do about it Nate.

That is the moral of the story Nate. Think real hard and you'll eventually get it.

What is the moral of the story? Since I can't stop murder I should just let it happen? And actually there are things we can and do do about it. I would certainly shoot someone who was killing people in a mall or in a church or in a school yard if I had the opportunity. I would and have given someone food when I knew them to be hungry. Can I save everyone? Of course not, but that does not mean I should not try to help those that I can. To say, what appears to be your argument that since you can't do it all then you shouldn't do any of it is stupid and makes more of a Christian then you ever thought of being.

Why is it when leftist like you start losing the argument you immediately attempt to impunge the intelligence of your opponent? I have never accused you of being stupid or uneducated. You on the other hand do so every time you have boxed yourself into a corner.

Dom1 · #47 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:24 PM

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Oh Great Dom now you are going to unleash the Shrilly PMS monkeys to start harassing you again.

Fuck them. None of those three have a clue and they can't logically make any real arguments so they have to resort to those tactics. Fatty, Kookie, and Billy are all idiots. I really mean that. Another thing they have in common is that they accuse anyone of disagreeing with them of being me AND they all run from their own arguments and make shit up.

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

The issue of this entire thread has been abortion. That is the reason the thread exist.

Correct. However, Billy made an argument that we can't legislate it because we tried legislating murder and people still do it. I am very interested in hearing her expand on that utterly fucking ridiculous argument.

nathanbforrest45 · #48 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

Actually, I agree with you quite a bit. However, there are still many instances of Foster care being a nightmare, especially since privatization. In some instances, it has become little more than a business with little consideration for the child. A child should not become a consumer good.

Freedom
Exactly what are you saying here if this is not an indictment of the foster care system? If I misread your intent I apologize to you personally but the sentiment of my post does not change. Don't impunge a system that for the most part works as well as possible considering all the regulations involved. Just as an aside, bear in mind that the foster care system is designed to help children that will some day be returned to their parents. Its not meant for the most part to remove them from parental authority permanently or to deal with orphans on a long term basis.

wvpeach · #49 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:29 PM

okay, let me try again. Geez its like teaching ten year olds.

Most nations have laws against murdering people. Is that correct?

You bet it is.

Yet people are still murdered everyday , even with the laws in place to stop people from murdering others they still kill .

Even in a country where if you are found guilty of murder and know you will be tortured , beaten and then killed for your crime , people still commit murders.

Has a law against murders been able to stop murders from happening?

Are you still racking your pea sized brain for that answer Nate??????

Okay Lets assume you finally get it right . No a law against murder has not been able to stop murders from happening.

Now lets take a look at abortion. We had a law against abortion , yet abortion never stopped.

We have laws against rape, incest, stealing, yet none of those things ever stop .

The only thing that can change a person , is Love and examples .

Laws only deter and they do very little of that even with ignorant people.

So love and living by example is the only way to change people .

Laws are mans feeble attempt to legislate morality and it simply doesn't work.

Dom1 · #50 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

okay, let me try again. Geez its like teaching ten year olds.

Most nations have laws against murdering people. Is that correct?

You bet it is.

Yet people are still murdered everyday , even with the laws in place to stop people from murdering others they still kill .

Even in a country where if you are found guilty of murder and know you will be tortured , beaten and then killed for your crime , people still commit murders.

Has a law against murders been able to stop murders from happening?

Are you still racking your pea sized brain for that answer Nate??????

Okay Lets assume you finally get it right . No a law against murder has not been able to stop murders from happening.

Now lets take a look at abortion. We had a law against abortion , yet abortion never stopped.

We have laws against rape, incest, stealing, yet none of those things ever stop .

The only thing that can change a person , is Love and examples .

Laws only deter and they do very little of that even with ignorant people.

So love and living by example is the only way to change people .

Laws are mans feeble attempt to legislate morality and it simply doesn't work.

Then by your rationale we should not have laws against murder because people do it anyway.

Isn't that right Billy? Should we have laws against murder?

Nice argument Billy. I can't believe someone would make an argument that weak, I really can't. Further proof that you are a bullshitter about any advanced degree you are working on - no fucking way you could make it through with such a weak intellect. Of course, you did say it was a Masters in Theology, so maybe it is an online course and if that were the case then the only qaulifications you need is for you check to clear.

Can't wait to see how you answer the above questions, athough I doubt you do. I'll ask again, should we have laws against murder?